Snake Rd. turn 3 claims another victim

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These threads of, off camber/reducing radius/car in my lane/cold pavement.... always remind me of a canoe lecture we went to. A well known white water guru was being pressured by a weekender on how a certain rivers rapid section would be rated on the 1-5 class. Lecturer asked "did you fall out of the boat?" reply was "well yes" ... lecturer "then that's a level 5 for you then isn't it"
 
Which reminds me.... Snake's 5th downhill corner is off camber and I've followed a fair number of bikes, that have gone into the oncoming lane at that point.
 
hey guys i am the rider who crashed yesterday what happened was i was going on my third run down snake thought the tires were warm enough and everything, it was not the drivers fault it was all mine the reason being is because i took the turn way to sharp so i was too close to the yellow line and i see a crossover coming my way n i tried straightening out just enough to back off a little but i really underestimated the turn even though i have been on it a bunch of times:p anyway i saw i was heading for the rails so i looked at the end of the turn and tried to make it through but my front tire slipped under me and it wedged into the guard rail and i smashed into the other. i think a lack of experience and me being to comfortable on the bike finally made its toll. every day i ride i always think that today could be the day i can get hurt or even killed i do not underestimate how dangerous a motorcycle is, i find my self extremely lucky that i wasn't seriously injured because i know it could have been a lot worse seeing how hard i hit the guard rail didn't break my neck or anything. Rob i think your right about seeing a oncoming car and you thinking that you have to move for them because even if i did come in to sharp if needed he could have moved himself to save me but again i think that was just lack of experience mabe. i love motorcycles way to much to not ride anymore parents are against me getting another bike which is very understandable thinking i could have died. im so ****** off about my bike being messed up and this might be crazy but while i was skidding toward the guard rail the thing i was thinking was " **** my bike is ****ed". hopefully ill be able to ride next season mabe get a 600 or something. wear your gear! saved me from a lot of freakin pain. if you have any questions let me know. ride safe everyone and take advantage of the weather and enjoy your ride:)
hopefully ill see you out there next season
by the way front tire was cold back was warm

And i would like to thank everyone who helped me at the site really appreciate it and motojacket if you have pictures mind sending them to me
 
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Before giddying up to a 600, take a couple of Tdays or some schools next year to help your roadcraft.

FWIW, turn 3 or any other turn on snake road is like every other corner on a European road :rolleyes: Some ppl are making it out to be the hardest corner on the continent lol.
 
Hardest on the continent? Not hardly. Just something that bears watching, when the vast majority of corners in this Province are simple arcs. It usually pays to try and work out why crashes happen so often, in a given location. One that I have never really managed to figure out is the corner on Forks, eastbound, along the split rail fence. The corner isn't that bad, but I've seen three bikes go into the ditch there. If you go into the ditch, you'll find dozens of pieces, of motorcycle fairing.

Neil44, is it possible that you grabbed a bit too much front brake when trying to correct your arc?
 
Anyone got a link to google street view for this turn?
 
Hunh - surprised they'd street view that but I recall Snake before it was repaved and with newly married sister-in-law on the back I got a little frisky on the RD400 and the rear end sort of chattered it's way around the corner but did not let go.

She never knew....I still remember and that was 3 decades ago so left an impression. Fortunately I was very familiar with both road and bike and she weighed next to nothing on the back.
I lived in Waterdown for 14 years.
It was always prone to being wet at the bottom turn just before the straight....and of course with the stop signs on the bridge some of the fun is departed.

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Good for you rider walking away and acknowledging the problems.

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Even the google guide had a problem with the line through the corner ;)

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to be honest thats what im trying to remember i dont know if i did or not but i think i did because it makes sense
 
Neil44 said:
to be honest thats what im trying to remember i dont know if i did or not but i think i did because it makes sense
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It's a natural reaction, especially for new riders, to grab a handful of brakes in a situation like that. It's a reaction that you have to train yourself out of. A little trailing brake will drop you deeper into a corner but a lot will stand you right up, and run you off the outside.

Like I said further up-thread; treat every corner as if it's decreasing radius. Turn in later than you think you have to. It really pays off, on the street, especially when you're on a road you've never ridden before.
 
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Like I said further up-thread; treat every corner as if it's decreasing radius. Turn in later than you think you have to. It really pays off, on the street, especially when you're on a road you've never ridden before.
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It really pays to adopt this philosophy down in the Deal's Gap area too. So many corners are blind and there are more than a few decreasing radius corners. Go in slow, apex late when you can see through.

- Slow in, fast out.
- Fast in, no out.

You pick!
 
Yeah stick in the mid-range - nimble and responsive - fun to ride.

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- Slow in, fast out.
- Fast in, no out.

You pick!
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yup - much fun - set up slow then hammer on the way out....trying to slow IN a corner is a recipe for disaster and the bike settles into the suspension in a more predictable way accelerating out.
 
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glad your ok OP and nice to see you "OWN" up to you mistake..snake rd was my backward so i did daily and always blown away to see how many people crossing over the lines...best is go in slow out fast......
 
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the first problem here was the belief that your tires were in any way warm enough.

Given the temperature in the area, there is no way there was any heat in the asphalt and unless you spent 30 min doing circles on sandpaper before heading down to that turn, your tires were well below temp.
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