SIU investigation of motorcycle running from cops..
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I got the reference. I think our friend has a bit of a hard time separating reality from desired fiction.
Something to do with footie and hooligans?
No, just a useless reference. Simply put, do you really think that your distinctions are valid? What lies between the passionless, value-seeking commuter and the obsessive? This notion of a 'biker' that you propose (the pinnacle of which is driving an SUV?) is mostly North American. It describes an 'attitude' that is independent of motorcycles. It is possible to love motorcycling without "giving up our first born". But no doubt you exaggerate for effect.
You know, a lot of what has been said is both true and truly stupid. In the area where this tragedy happened a lot of things are at play. Alliston is currently ruled by Honda, for those that don't know Honda has a huge assembly plant, engine plant, numerous other facilities, and they all have to be supplied. They are supplied by trucks, Gibson Transport trucks, who run up and down Hwy 50 all day every day, well above the speed limit. They have destroyed the highway, forced the county to spend millions on repairing it. The point is that the OPP never, never stop any of the trucks supplying Honda, ever. These trucks are always running above the speed limit, always. In Loretto where the Hockley road starts I'm sure countless numbers of GTAM members have dodged the trucks trying to turn on to th Hockley road. These trucks always are speeding through Loretto and are never, never, ticketed, but turn left on to the Hockley road on a motorcycle and the same officers that should be enforcing the limits on Hwy 50 are laying in wait for motorcyclists who may or may not be 10 kph over the limit. So I'm not saying "running" is the right answer but what I am saying is, at least where I live, there is a very big difference between how the OPP are supposed to behave and how they actually behave. This really has nothing to do with this tragedy, but may help with some context.
Astounding. MLadin I CAN assure you bikes ran from the cops REGULARILY in the late 70's early 80's. How do I know cause I was involved in MANY MANY MANY chases of bikes during that time. Now you likely weren't even around then yet your the expert on the behaviour. your supporting running from police as a SELF ENTITLED I have an SS and therefore I can outrun ANY cop car. Your right you can. Unfortunately, it will only take a millisecond for you to lose focus, and you will be dead.
But wait that won't/can't possibly happen as you have taken riding courses and your the one who has all the skillz that ensure this will never happen because your competent, BUT I have a news flash for you the other road users have NO where near the skillz level you have and it only takes ONE of them to screw you over royally. BUT it will still NOT be your fault, it will be the ****ing cops who had the nerve to even try to pull you over, fault, It ALWAYS is the cops fault.
Amazing that it is only sport bikes that can't seem to adequately adjust to "transition zones". Cars, trucks, buses, cruisers, all seem to have a "special feature" that prevents them from failing to negotiate this task on a regular basis. I believe one of the "special features" is mature operators who see the ample signage, and don't feel entitled.
Again there are hundreds of bikes, (yes this includes SS's), stopped daily in Ontario, yet magically MOST of these riders seem to walk away from the interaction without a s172. I can't comment on the "ducati's on flatbeds" on the 400, as I don't ride on the 400, nor do I ride a ducati. But if it is that much of problem given the hundreds of other bikes that use the 400, perhaps, just perhaps, those who ride ducati's have a different mindset, (similair to yours), that they are ENTITLED to ride like a douch. But I am sure there are mature responsible Ducati riders whose bikes don't end up on the back of a flatbed each time they take the bike out.
Again you need to STOP, trying to "justify" the riders actions in this tragic event, and blame the cop involved. YOU have NO idea what happened and seem to believe there was a "pursuit" when there has been NO reports of an actual pursuit other than that media reports that say the SIU is investigating because of police involvement with the bike. Could be the officer lit him up and never even moved the cruiser when the bike took off and crashed in VERY short order. Nor is there ANY evidence this rider was facing a potential s172, (other than your belief that this is the ONLY possible outcome, merely because it was a sport bike).
I ride a cruiser now, BUT I also ride my friends sport bike on a VERY regular basis, yet I seem to avoid interactions with police, because I ride BOTH bikes responsibly, with the idea that EVERY cager is trying to kill me so why increase the likelihood of that happening. I just spent the weekend in New Liskeard where there were over 5,000 bikes, as well as a heavy police presence. I didn't see tow trucks lined up for kilometers with sport bikes, (even seen a few ducati's), waiting for the impound yard, and there are PLENTY of places you can easily do 172 riding. I guess the OPP in the north just don't care/or do their job.
If you feel, the ONLY outcome of an interaction with police is s172 due to the bike you ride, then perhaps you should continue to run at EVERY opportunity and we all sincerely hope we aren't discussing what your last thoughts must have been, in a thread here on GTAM, someday, you will gian the wisdom and maturity, that will permit you to actually pull over.
I don't admit there aren't bad cops, never have doubted nor argued there aren't. Someone, posted way back officers were called constables and there was respect for police. I submit for those of us who have maturity we still refer to them as officer/constable/sir/ma'am. Sure there does seem to be a decline on civility, BUT newsflash it isn't only police who have less civility it is the self entitled me first special snowflake, no one is a permiited to lose, bubble wrapped individuals too.
As for the I held a "police issued baton" in 1974. You may have but it was NOT a regular issue item to all officers. Most forces began widespread issue in the 1980's, prior to that "some" officers, may have bought their own they were much more prevalent in the US, at that time. They became widely used in the US after the chicago and LA riots in the 60's. Prior to those events they were "available" to those on crowd control duties only, (when you saw the officers in helmets and carrying the riot shields). But they were NOT standard duty issue, until the 80's here in Canada. The PR24 was widely introduced in Canada to front line officers beginning in the 80's, (that is the baton with the "side handle" prior to that they were basically just 24" long sticks with "ridges" in what was considered the handle
But wait that won't/can't possibly happen as you have taken riding courses and your the one who has all the skillz that ensure this will never happen because your competent, BUT I have a news flash for you the other road users have NO where near the skillz level you have and it only takes ONE of them to screw you over royally. BUT it will still NOT be your fault, it will be the ****ing cops who had the nerve to even try to pull you over, fault, It ALWAYS is the cops fault.
Amazing that it is only sport bikes that can't seem to adequately adjust to "transition zones". Cars, trucks, buses, cruisers, all seem to have a "special feature" that prevents them from failing to negotiate this task on a regular basis. I believe one of the "special features" is mature operators who see the ample signage, and don't feel entitled.
Again there are hundreds of bikes, (yes this includes SS's), stopped daily in Ontario, yet magically MOST of these riders seem to walk away from the interaction without a s172. I can't comment on the "ducati's on flatbeds" on the 400, as I don't ride on the 400, nor do I ride a ducati. But if it is that much of problem given the hundreds of other bikes that use the 400, perhaps, just perhaps, those who ride ducati's have a different mindset, (similair to yours), that they are ENTITLED to ride like a douch. But I am sure there are mature responsible Ducati riders whose bikes don't end up on the back of a flatbed each time they take the bike out.
Again you need to STOP, trying to "justify" the riders actions in this tragic event, and blame the cop involved. YOU have NO idea what happened and seem to believe there was a "pursuit" when there has been NO reports of an actual pursuit other than that media reports that say the SIU is investigating because of police involvement with the bike. Could be the officer lit him up and never even moved the cruiser when the bike took off and crashed in VERY short order. Nor is there ANY evidence this rider was facing a potential s172, (other than your belief that this is the ONLY possible outcome, merely because it was a sport bike).
I ride a cruiser now, BUT I also ride my friends sport bike on a VERY regular basis, yet I seem to avoid interactions with police, because I ride BOTH bikes responsibly, with the idea that EVERY cager is trying to kill me so why increase the likelihood of that happening. I just spent the weekend in New Liskeard where there were over 5,000 bikes, as well as a heavy police presence. I didn't see tow trucks lined up for kilometers with sport bikes, (even seen a few ducati's), waiting for the impound yard, and there are PLENTY of places you can easily do 172 riding. I guess the OPP in the north just don't care/or do their job.
If you feel, the ONLY outcome of an interaction with police is s172 due to the bike you ride, then perhaps you should continue to run at EVERY opportunity and we all sincerely hope we aren't discussing what your last thoughts must have been, in a thread here on GTAM, someday, you will gian the wisdom and maturity, that will permit you to actually pull over.
I don't admit there aren't bad cops, never have doubted nor argued there aren't. Someone, posted way back officers were called constables and there was respect for police. I submit for those of us who have maturity we still refer to them as officer/constable/sir/ma'am. Sure there does seem to be a decline on civility, BUT newsflash it isn't only police who have less civility it is the self entitled me first special snowflake, no one is a permiited to lose, bubble wrapped individuals too.
As for the I held a "police issued baton" in 1974. You may have but it was NOT a regular issue item to all officers. Most forces began widespread issue in the 1980's, prior to that "some" officers, may have bought their own they were much more prevalent in the US, at that time. They became widely used in the US after the chicago and LA riots in the 60's. Prior to those events they were "available" to those on crowd control duties only, (when you saw the officers in helmets and carrying the riot shields). But they were NOT standard duty issue, until the 80's here in Canada. The PR24 was widely introduced in Canada to front line officers beginning in the 80's, (that is the baton with the "side handle" prior to that they were basically just 24" long sticks with "ridges" in what was considered the handle
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Yes, an activity where a small group of enthusiasts ignorant of the history, craft, or rules of the sport turned it into a venue for their own dangerous, thrill-seeking antics which led to serious injury and death and resulted in greater police scrutiny for all, much stricter laws and regulations, higher barriers to entry, and less overall participation. Can't recall them blaming the police or overly harsh laws against running amok though, I believe they took responsibility for their own actions. They still exist of course, they just take care to keep it low by gathering in areas where they don't bother the general public or innocent passers-by.
I agree, "it's not [just] the bike" that always makes people behave badly, it's the individual's choice, starting with the bike he chooses and the riding style he chooses, and there's no question that younger, immature, inexperienced riders will often go for sport bikes, all of which are designed to go fast, on the track. So, what do you do with a bike that's designed to go fast? You go fast. By choice. Track or not. I put a lot of the "blame" for this type of incident on the industry, for promoting faster and faster all the time, and over the past decade, adding "go faster" "safety" technology, which just promotes the use of track-like speeds and manuvers on public roads. There's literally a handfull of individuals on the planet who can extract all the perfomance abilites of today's show-room model sport bikes, which are even faster than MotoGP bikes of only a decade ago, but too many of those who buy them are easily seduced into believing they can ride the wheels of their bikes with impunity, due in no small part to the industry itself. So, it's a much bigger picture than any highway traffic act section, or any particular detachment of any policing service, or even an individual's ability to think for himself, and it's out of control, has been for decades, and can never be reigned in, so...we all have to deal with the consequences now that the HP genie is out of the bottle, until the sale of high horse power bikes are banned from being sold to beginer riders whose ability to make good choices are compromised.
But about the baton: growing up in the late sixties/early seventies, I can assure you police had batons. But they were mostly kept in the cruiser, not holstered. If an officer needed it, he could don it getting out of the cruiser. I know this because the "test" for illegal pipes was sticking the baton down the end of the cannister. If it could go all the way in, you had illegal pipes, and were taken off the road. No fancy decible tester needed. No fancy by-laws for rich communities needed. Just a simple baton test would do it.
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Yes...not just football hooligans...but Millwall football hooligans..a special kind of stupid with a "reputation" to live up to.
-Maverick-
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Point being simple. As everything else has changed in the world, so has the traditional pirate looking rider who was the "biker" of the 60's, 70's. These are the new "bikers."
https://youtu.be/GZjRwjJeG1w
https://youtu.be/GZjRwjJeG1w
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Only in your definition....and your definitions don't exactly have too much credibility.
Ah no those aren't "bikers" they are ********* hooligans who "think" they are tough because 50 of them can pull a man from his SUV and "beat him". A REAL biker would have done all the beating by himself and not relied on 49 others to help him, in the event he broke his nail..lmao.
Most of the bikers from the 60's and 70's have grown up and now wear suits and get their cash from "revenue streams" that don't require the same level of intimidation it did back in the days.
Most of the bikers from the 60's and 70's have grown up and now wear suits and get their cash from "revenue streams" that don't require the same level of intimidation it did back in the days.
I think that the term you're looking for is "thug."
That works too..lol didnt realize the word filter also caught ****** bag..lol
RedDogDarren
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5 years! I didn't do her more than once because she was terrible. I'm glad she found someone after me, I was worried.
When I questioned your admiration for "bikers" your response was to ask if I am on drugs. You then show a video of a small army of what you call "bikers" pursuing and beating a man in front of his family. Perhaps I misunderstood your fawning tone and your definition above was meant to convey how irrational you believe "bikers" to be. So what is your attitude to "bikers"? The only real motorcyclists, the rest of us being patent-leather shod scooter clerks zipping to work? Or, per my (overly obscure) footie analogy above, a non-representative sub-group enjoying mob revelry and making life more difficult for the rest of us mere "riders"?
You have provided an excellent example of what I was talking about. The response of NY to the beating incident? More legislation to regulate motorcycle rallies.
I guess MLadin's world is restricted to the crotch grabbing and drooling antics at a local timmies. Brain-dead bench racing and penis comparisons at its finest! I love hearing stats comparing bikes to veyron's; such a valid consideration in any context
