RedDogDarren
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Completely agree with the above.
should i go with a liter
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Completely agree with the above.
That's great by why stop at 45ft-lbs? You're leaving torque on the table. Re-jig the powerband by knocking off the very top (the really stupid for the street part) rpm rush. Don't rev it the last 15% or whatever, grab another gear and ride the torque wave.
If your going to start talking about torquey motors for street use, why not get something other than a inline 4 sewing machine. Like a V twin or inline 3, bigger piston engines for the same displacement seem to make for bottom end power.
But I understand where you're going with that, just that most people will say "you cant use all the power", meaning that its peak horsepower is high up in the RPM range(which a 600 is also). And that if your full throttle on both bikes, the 1000cc will get you into trouble faster but thats not a good arguement anyway.
I think this thread is going a little off course...
But like I said before, OP should get the 1000, like they say "there is no replacement for displacement"
But I understand where you're going with that, just that most people will say "you cant use all the power", meaning that its peak horsepower is high up in the RPM range(which a 600 is also). And that if your full throttle on both bikes, the 1000cc will get you into trouble faster but thats not a good arguement anyway.
I think this thread is going a little off course...
But like I said before, OP should get the 1000, like they say "there is no replacement for displacement"
There's more to "all that power" than just peak power. My point was pretty straight forward... liter bikes make more torque at sane speeds, so I make the argument that they're actually better, more usable street bikes than 600s.
Let's not BS each-other, a BIG part of why most of us enjoy motorcycles (and supersports more specifically) is because they're fast. 600cc supersports are lethargic at normal speeds, whereas liter bikes actually make a lot of power before you're going Warp 9. The idea is that you don't have to be breaking speed limits of going wide open throttle to reap the rewards of all that "insane liter bike power". It works amazingly well on the street.
Let's not BS each-other, a BIG part of why most of us enjoy motorcycles (and supersports more specifically) is because they're fast. 600cc supersports are lethargic at normal speeds, whereas liter bikes actually make a lot of power before you're going Warp 9. The idea is that you don't have to be breaking speed limits of going wide open throttle to reap the rewards of all that "insane liter bike power". It works amazingly well on the street.
I completely agree. The litre bikes are much better street bikes than the 600s.
RedDogDarren
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Better? No. A lot of people have all they can handle or need with a 600 or smaller. Better for us who love them, yes. Better for everyone, no.
EaZ8
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some people are happy with scooters, but not everyone.
personally, i like having power available that i dont need but know its there for when i want it, even in cars...i didnt buy a v8 because its good on gas.
Ride a 1000ss??
I have no interest in doing so.
Torque for me is tractoring out of mud or up a hill.
To ride a 1000rr around town is cojones over sense.....what's it saving you?? - a couple of gearshifts??
against how much more insurance???
Wait till the future arrives...oh wait ...already here
http://www.wired.com/2013/11/2014-zero-sr/
I have no interest in doing so.
Torque for me is tractoring out of mud or up a hill.
To ride a 1000rr around town is cojones over sense.....what's it saving you?? - a couple of gearshifts??
against how much more insurance???
Wait till the future arrives...oh wait ...already here
http://www.wired.com/2013/11/2014-zero-sr/
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Macdoc, with all due respect, you never been on a 1000CC SS but yet you feel qualified to answer the question. I've never been on a big scooter, what ever opinion I am to express on the subject will be pure speculation.
I get the feeling that many people advising against getting the 1000cc bike have never actually ridden one, or maybe I am wrong.
Well, to be fair, there are real costs to a 1000 - insurance is perpetually increasing, for one. Also, while I do agree that 1000s have magical low-end grunt, you can not responsibly wind out a 1000 on the street... pretty much ever. Maybe to the top of 2nd gear, if you're lucky. That was something about my Ninja 1000 that made me sad (yes, I know it was not an SS). Smaller bikes you can enjoy the drama of exercising the full sweep of the tach without worrying about NORAD picking you up on radar and throwing you in Guantanamo Bay for excessive velocity
Yes please. End thread (and with it, all the stupidity that it contains).
If you have the option and the means finincially to go with the liter bike then that's always the answer.
lts better to have and not need then to need and not have.
It's like saying that you have the option to make 100k a year at your job but your ok with just staying at the 60k position.
lts better to have and not need then to need and not have.
It's like saying that you have the option to make 100k a year at your job but your ok with just staying at the 60k position.
EaZ8
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gotta be honest here, i have little to no faith in the electric bikes and cars really taking off.
right now they are a novelty. technology has been around for years but its just not taking off.
short road trips, lack of ability to actually stop and charge it.
it may work well for someone who just wants to ride to and from work, but thats about it.
eoszlak
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I haven't read all 5 Pages of this thread but I read the first page and the last and I feel like it's getting a bit silly. All of us who have ridden any variety of bikes including 600SS and 1000SS have absolutely no problem listing the PROs of riding the litre bike. I've ridden several different bikes year round through all weather and most recently I'm riding a small Honda step through, a scooter if you will. I miss the heck out of the torque, over all power, stability, size, absolutely everything about my R1's- but for insurance reasons I'm forced to ride bikes alot smaller for a few years at least. In short there is absolutely no comparison. Yes riding is riding- two wheels will always be better than driving a cage. However like boooya said if you can afford the litre costs than you should go with it. It's not like you always will or ever actually need the power that any 600SS++ provides nor can you exercise it to it's fullest abilities.
I grew up on a farm, been riding my entire life, when I started riding in the city I was on an 05 R6, which was more than fast/easy enough to break the law on but that doesn't mean it was what I'd like to ride at all. Everyone's different.
See what happens with your insurance on renewal OP, keep your eyes open, there's often great deals to be had on liter bikes privately because people just can't afford them or find they're too much for them.
I grew up on a farm, been riding my entire life, when I started riding in the city I was on an 05 R6, which was more than fast/easy enough to break the law on but that doesn't mean it was what I'd like to ride at all. Everyone's different.
See what happens with your insurance on renewal OP, keep your eyes open, there's often great deals to be had on liter bikes privately because people just can't afford them or find they're too much for them.
The Road Warrior
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If you can afford a 1000, it's a no brainer, who in their right mind would buy anything smaller is beyond me. 1000's are way more everyday street friendly than 600's
If you have to ask why, give your head a serious shake.
If you have to ask why, give your head a serious shake.
