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Should GM, Ford or Dodge build motorcycles?

Harley Davidson made 190 million this quarter alone.... Mind you they've been at it a while. I agree about Suzuki, I owned a sprint once :rolleyes: and the motor was FAST but the body was like a tin can. I could never underdtand why Honda can make such a powerful bike engine but the car engines, twice their size, has no guts unless you pimp the thing out filling the engine bay with bolt on's.

Good or bad it would still be cool to see a dodge Viper themed bike?? Camaro bike?? Pinto scooter :lmao:....
 
That being said...Ford's solution to building a motorcycle would probably be to include SYNC that people would try to operate as they rode. /shudders

Considering it's made by Microsoft, I'm pretty sure it would involve a blue screen and the rider dying (assuming you could get it going in the first place) :cool: Actually, SYNC is singlehandedly responsible for Ford's reliability reputation taking a nose-dive.

By the way, here's D-troit's take on bikes:
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I would not feel safe on a two wheel vehicle built by the big 3. **** THAT!
 
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Considering it's made by Microsoft, I'm pretty sure it would involve a blue screen and the rider dying (assuming you could get it going in the first place) :cool: Actually, SYNC is singlehandedly responsible for Ford's reliability reputation taking a nose-dive.

Yes and no. Part of the reason is the staggering amount of complaints they get that are based on user's inability to get through the not-always-logical voice commands. They are actually planning on setting up Apple store-style "genius" bars in their dealerships to coach people how to use the system.

The tech may not be 100% to blame in this case. Although I live in fear of someone BSOD'ing in front of me on the freeway.
 
Actually, SYNC is singlehandedly responsible for Ford's reliability reputation taking a nose-dive.
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I believe in a recent report by JD Powers, they found that almost ALL brands of cars took a dip in reliability due to the proliferation of electronics. From nav systems, to iPod connects, to rearview cameras, backup sensors....they are all sensitive electronic equipment that is prone to failure, and expensive to fix. So it isnt just Sync, but all the similar (and even less complicated) products in any car.
 
I'd like to see them build a good, reliable car again, before they branch out into a new vehicle field.

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.. are hardly inspiring reputations for motorcycles that would be much more dependant on vehicle integrity for safety on two wheels.

It's not 1993 anymore.....
 
It's not 1993 anymore.....

Thank your generic deity of choice for that! Right now the only vehicle that interests me, apart from what I already have, is the Ford Transit Connect. If it was just eight inches longer, I could fit my bike in it.
 
I'd like to see them build a good, reliable car again, before they branch out into a new vehicle field.

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.. are hardly inspiring reputations for motorcycles that would be much more dependant on vehicle integrity for safety on two wheels.

I believe you forgot Pontiac - Poor Ol' Ni&&a thinks its a Cadillac
 
Let's not forget Fix It Again Tony, Fix Or Repair Daily, Big Money Wasted, Bring My Wallet, Mostly Old Parts And Rust... or as some like to see it Move Over People Are Racing.
 
Didn't Chrysler just announce a 370 million dollar loss in Q2? I think the other two are doing ok, Chrysler has not rounded the corner yet.


Not really a loss per se, but was a result of paying back ALL government loans from the bailout.
 

Those stats are meaningless.
What are the problems reported? Their nature? Because I'd rather have 2 broken plastic switches than a head gasket issue.
46,000 is not a large group when divided by all the manufacturers and then models. Some are surely over represented and vice versa.
Would the fact that the study is American not create a bias? There millions of Americans who only buy homemade and believe it's better than anything else in the world.
And is there really such a big disparity between all GM products for example? Especially considering that many models share platform and motor.
Does the market group have anything to do with number of problems? Wealthy people generally spend more money on service and maintenance, same with older people. The latter group also drives less and doesn't push their vehicle to the limit.
Etc., etc.

Working on cars myself, for 8 years now, I know that Jaguar is NOT the most reliable vehicle. Neither is Buick, nor anything GM made. Ask any mechanic.
 
I've had a Dodge Caravan, Corolla, Accord, Spirit (or something, don't remember), Buick, and Acura TL something.

Caravan: Sold for 1000 @ 300,xxx. Cost too much to fix.
Accord: Stupid brother totaled it.
Spirit: Stupid mother totaled it.
Buick: Current @ 230,xxx, and it's needing constant damn repair.
Acura: Currently @ 200,xxx and not needing repairs!
Corolla: Sold at 600,000 because we got sick of it.

From my limited experience: Toyota wins!
 
Those stats are meaningless.
What are the problems reported? Their nature? Because I'd rather have 2 broken plastic switches than a head gasket issue.
46,000 is not a large group when divided by all the manufacturers and then models. Some are surely over represented and vice versa.
Would the fact that the study is American not create a bias? There millions of Americans who only buy homemade and believe it's better than anything else in the world.
And is there really such a big disparity between all GM products for example? Especially considering that many models share platform and motor.
Does the market group have anything to do with number of problems? Wealthy people generally spend more money on service and maintenance, same with older people. The latter group also drives less and doesn't push their vehicle to the limit.
Etc., etc.

Working on cars myself, for 8 years now, I know that Jaguar is NOT the most reliable vehicle. Neither is Buick, nor anything GM made. Ask any mechanic.

I believe the Japanese used these reports as well as others (consumer reports) to their advantage in the 1990's and they proved very meaningfully, but now they are not? What metric would you suggest?

I would assume that as a mechanic you see more domestic vehicles because they sold more of them over the past few decades? I would assume older cars are serviced more than the newer ones obviously so what you see in the garage are older vehicles......not resent ones like 2009 from that report?

I believe your comment on older Jaguars is correct, they used to be on the bottom of the list. Looks like they improved in the last couple years.

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J.D. Power notes that for Cadillac, Ford, Hyundai, Lincoln, and Mercury perceptions of reliability lag reality. No surprise, since (as I’ve found all too often) people often judge (and more often than not reject) data based on how these data fit their perceptions rather than judging their perceptions based on how they fit the data.

The outraged owners argued that TrueDelta’s results could not be correct, since Jaguar had just been declared the most dependable make by J.D. Power. I pointed out that the VDS covers the third year of ownership, 2006 in that case, and that Jaguar had discontinued, redesigned, or replaced every model in its line save the XJ in the interim. So the results did not apply to the XF, or the current XK for that matter.

Well, J.D. Power has now released the 2010 Vehicle Dependability Survey (VDS), which covers 2007s in their third year of ownership, and, as predicted, the redesigned XK has, all by its lonesome, sunk Jaguar’s ranking from 1st to 23rd. And it’ll only get uglier once the XF is reflected in these stats in another two years.
 
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Im too busy drooling over enough bikes as it is.... we dont need to add more to the mix... much less worry about their dependability.... The current guys are finally starting to spit out reliable bikes, even the brands with the bad reps....
 

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