Scotland Referendum Will Be Like 1995 Quebec Referendum

BrownBrady

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So today, Scots have the right to decide whether or not to separate from the United Kingdom. It is thought that voter turnout will be high and will be too close to call. As with Quebec separatists, their reasons for wanting to leave are more social and cultural. I am wondering how an independent Scotland and a newly broken up UK would fare economically?
 
So today, Scots have the right to decide whether or not to separate from the United Kingdom. It is thought that voter turnout will be high and will be too close to call. As with Quebec separatists, their reasons for wanting to leave are more social and cultural. I am wondering how an independent Scotland and a newly broken up UK would fare economically?

The UK is going to hell in a handbasket anyway, so for the Scotts, the separation can't hurt, can help. Wound interfere with my plans to wall off the entire island to contain the lunacy :cool:
 
What percentage do they need to actually split? I tried google searching this came up dry. Does a 51% vote get the split, or does it need a large majority vote?
 
Technically 51% is a majority, but for something this major it should be a true majority like 75%, but then who gets to decide the actual #? Realistically if 4 million and 1 person vote and it comes out to 2M plus 1 for one side, 2M ppl didn't want whatever it is. Tough call when it's close. Hopefully it comes back with an overwhelming # for whichever side wins.
 
Emotion vs common sense.

Lets hope common sense wins. Personally I don't really care either way, we already have a partially built wall we can use if necessary and I'd love to see Alex Salmond embrace the Euro (Hello Greece mk II)
 
Technically 51% is a majority, but for something this major it should be a true majority like 75%, but then who gets to decide the actual #? Realistically if 4 million and 1 person vote and it comes out to 2M plus 1 for one side, 2M ppl didn't want whatever it is. Tough call when it's close. Hopefully it comes back with an overwhelming # for whichever side wins.

Thats what I think it should be for something this big. I would think it should deb 75% of those who turned out and voted. If people chose not to vote on such an important thing, well they can live with whatever happens as they obviously do not care enough to do the simplest of things... voting.
 
I am honestly not overly knowledgeable ton the subject. My simple understanding is the will to simply seperate centres on some social issues but also a beleief that economic benefit of oil; is being diverted. Some feel that the $ should remain within Scotland alone. Please correct me if my facts/understanding is incorrect.

An interesting comment I recall hearing from the British Prime Minister was: "This is not a decision about the next five years, but the next century.". Unlike a typical election, you cant just swing the other way in 5 years if the results don't work out. making this type of decision will affect generations to come...
 
It's the same as every other important topic, lobbyists and famous people trying to sway the masses while few people actually work through the process themselves. Some of the yes side talks about walking away from any debt and keeping the entire oil reserve, even though it is unlikely that either of those will happen (eg. they will end up with 30% of the UK debt and will have to buy out 70% of the oil fields value increasing the debt load further.)

Also the currency mess is quite complicated as they either adopt a foreign currency which removes their ability to regulate the economy through a central bank, or they create their own which is a risky investment and therefore costs a lot to get people to buy in.

The biggest problem is the EU. The Yes side seems to assume that entry into the EU is a mere formality that will be easily accomplished. There will be a huge push from member nations as they don't want portions of their countries to attempt the same thing (eg. Catalonia, macedonia, etc.) I doubt Scotland will be able to enter the EU before their debt load is out of control and once it is, the EU won't want them and they still won't be able to enter.

If Scotland splits I can't see how they can survive much longer than 20 years before becoming Greece/Spain.

As someone already said, this is ideology vs common sense. Sure you can stick it to the man and assert your independence, but it is exactly the same thing as being "dead right" on a motorcycle. Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean you will survive to be proud of not backing down.
 
Considering that their two top exports are whiskey and oil, I think they might do better than Greece or Spain.
 
Considering that their two top exports are whiskey and oil, I think they might do better than Greece or Spain.

That Oil is not going to last for ever and there is allot of international whiskey coming out thats better and cheeper than scotch. Japanese whiskey has really come along way. You can expected scotch is going to go up in price after this that will probably further dampen the market at least in the short term.
 
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It's the same as every other important topic, lobbyists and famous people trying to sway the masses while few people actually work through the process themselves. Some of the yes side talks about walking away from any debt and keeping the entire oil reserve, even though it is unlikely that either of those will happen (eg. they will end up with 30% of the UK debt and will have to buy out 70% of the oil fields value increasing the debt load further.)

Also the currency mess is quite complicated as they either adopt a foreign currency which removes their ability to regulate the economy through a central bank, or they create their own which is a risky investment and therefore costs a lot to get people to buy in.

The biggest problem is the EU. The Yes side seems to assume that entry into the EU is a mere formality that will be easily accomplished. There will be a huge push from member nations as they don't want portions of their countries to attempt the same thing (eg. Catalonia, macedonia, etc.) I doubt Scotland will be able to enter the EU before their debt load is out of control and once it is, the EU won't want them and they still won't be able to enter.

If Scotland splits I can't see how they can survive much longer than 20 years before becoming Greece/Spain.

As someone already said, this is ideology vs common sense. Sure you can stick it to the man and assert your independence, but it is exactly the same thing as being "dead right" on a motorcycle. Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean you will survive to be proud of not backing down.

It's already been stated that the Scottish financial institutions (RBS) will move to UK offices, as well they will not officially allow them to use the Pound as a currency.
 
there is allot of international whiskey coming out thats better and cheeper than scotch.

LOL. Good one.

Japanese whiskey has really come along way. You can expected scotch is going to go up in price after this that will probably further dampen the market at least in the short term.

Obviously someone hasn't priced good Japanese whiskey lately. Emphasis on good.
 
Scottish = Whisky, everyone else Whiskey. If it's nae Scottish it's crap.
 
LOL. Good one.



Obviously someone hasn't priced good Japanese whiskey lately. Emphasis on good.

I ain't saying the Scottish arn't one of the best(i prefer irish whiskey over scotch tbh). Im just saying their are cheeper alternatives that are comparable. Good scotch is expensive and rightly so its a luxury a basic whiskey is what people drink more often. Who's going to mix a single malt scotch thats what crown is for.

I paid 24 dollars for my last bottle of Nikka (from the barrel select i think). It was delicious for the price point. If you enjoy your whiskey check out (if you haven't already) check out Dark Horse Alberta Rhy its awesome. Currently trying to get a Nikka 12 year but i wont pay CDN prices.

Lets not forget scotch isn't just in competition with global whiskeys but from other drinks. Sales have been flattening out for years. An indépendant Scotland cant rely on whiskey and low reserves of oil to pull them through forever.
 
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Its been 300 yrs so maybe time for a change. I don't think it will be as easy for them as they are portraying the process. They could partner with Ireland for economic success stories....... if they ever sober up.
 
Its been 300 yrs so maybe time for a change. I don't think it will be as easy for them as they are portraying the process. They could partner with Ireland for economic success stories....... if they ever sober up.

Problem with partnering with Northern Ireland is their businesses and tax base. Their 3rd biggest gross domestic producer up and pulled their business and moved it to the Netherlands when the government pulled their lucrative tax breaks. And when your 3rd biggest "industry" is a band, you're in deep doo-do.
 
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