Science vs Prisons

First, we've elected a majority government led by a Prime Minister who is a fundamentalist Christian, part of a group that believes in a literal interpretation of the bible, and that the end of days is coming. We shouldn't be surprised to see the government cutting science from its budget.

Second, we've elected a majority government, the support base of which is heavily dependent on the oil and gas industry in Alberta. We shouldn't be surprised to see jobs cut from environmental agencies.

Third, we've elected a majority government that has campaigned on socially conservative values. Don't be surprised if they cut jobs in data gathering functions like StatsCan and Environment Canada, and don't be surprised to see them spend more money on prisons.

They haven't yet done anything surprising, that we shouldn't have expected before we voted for them.

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I'd be more for the cutting of government OVER spending and excess than cutting any jobs.
 
Depends where the need is greatest, doesn't it?

"I don't know" seems like the only honest answer here unless you're one of those involved in gathering the information the decision is based on. Of course knowing the Harper government it's probably not based on any information but on ideology, but I don't even know that!
 
What happens to a 60 year person who has one too may, drives home, gets charged and arrested and found guilty then sent to prison. What a crock of *****! We wouldnt need all these prisons and guards if the government took a long hard look at the laws. The government is not concerned about environmental issues at ll. It's a big cash grab, and they are winning thanks to all who voted for them. I say cut back on prisons and guards and take a look at other issues or else it won't matter how many prisons we have.
 
yzfrickr1 said:
It's a big cash grab, and they are winning thanks to all who voted for them.
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Please explain. Are they raising taxes and/or cutting services then pocketing the difference? Who is getting rich off this scheme, all government workers or just MPs? Are the 300 MPs gonna vote themselves a pay raise equivalent to the money saved by chopping 700 employees from the workforce?

Help me understand.
 
You're raising a stink over nothing. The government is asking departments to cut back and this is an article detailing just one of those departments doing what they've been asked to do.


But if you're a bleeding-heart sensationalist, this was totally bible-thumping Stephen Harper decimating the scientific community in the name of prisons.... DERRRR. :rolleyes:

Personally, Im all for having fewer government jobs.
 
mmmnaked said:
Personally, Im all for having fewer government jobs.
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+1...mostly because (in my limited experience) a lot of government jobs and positions are redundant and/or retarded. I want VALUE for my goddamn money.
 
I'm all for it! Forget about the environment! The crime rate is dropping too low! We need more prisons and more laws in order to fill'em!!!
 
CrazyKell said:
I'd be more for the cutting of government OVER spending and excess than cutting any jobs.
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True that, but wait till Short Stop reads that
 
I am a small "C" conservative in nature and didn't want to see a majority conservative government. Thanks to IGGY, he single handedly obliterated the liberal party and the only one left to count on is leaving for treatment leaving a noob behind.

If I was to throw the blame, it won't be for the people who voted conservative; it would be for the idiot politicians who lost the people's confidence. There is little check and balance now from the opposition.

Good luck
 
Duster929 said:
First, we've elected a majority government led by a Prime Minister who is a fundamentalist Christian, part of a group that believes in a literal interpretation of the bible, and that the end of days is coming. We shouldn't be surprised to see the government cutting science from its budget.

Second, we've elected a majority government, the support base of which is heavily dependent on the oil and gas industry in Alberta. We shouldn't be surprised to see jobs cut from environmental agencies.

Third, we've elected a majority government that has campaigned on socially conservative values. Don't be surprised if they cut jobs in data gathering functions like StatsCan and Environment Canada, and don't be surprised to see them spend more money on prisons.

They haven't yet done anything surprising, that we shouldn't have expected before we voted for them.
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They didn't campaign on social issues. They made the public think "we're better for the economy". And I didn't vote for those ****s.
 
MadPoet said:
I am a small "C" conservative in nature and didn't want to see a majority conservative government. Thanks to IGGY, he single handedly obliterated the liberal party and the only one left to count on is leaving for treatment leaving a noob behind.

If I was to throw the blame, it won't be for the people who voted conservative; it would be for the idiot politicians who lost the people's confidence. There is little check and balance now from the opposition.

Good luck
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+1.
 
ariesmars said:
They didn't campaign on social issues. They made the public think "we're better for the economy". And I didn't vote for those ****s.
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Technically you did and I did and we all did. During one election we were given a choice to have a hybrid riding-pop system, that would have made a majority with only 40% of the votes next to impossible. How many of you voted against it? If you voted for Cracker Jack instead of Fiberals or separatists, again, you helped put Herr Harper in power. Any which way you look at it, our country's gone hard Right. Enjoy.
 
ariesmars said:
They didn't campaign on social issues. They made the public think "we're better for the economy". And I didn't vote for those ****s.
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Many Conservative candidates in many ridings have been campaigning on social issues for many years. Note I said "has campaigned".

And I meant "we" voted for them in the sense that the country did. They got a majority government, after all. They didn't get it from lack of votes.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Any which way you look at it, our country's gone hard Right. Enjoy.
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Next to fall is that stupid stupid man MCguinty with his HST thing. THEN my friend we will be very RIGHT, I can foresee an NDP government next for both after the conservatives and THEN AGAIN we are royally shafted. IMHO I think a mix of ideologies would be the closest to a decent government (I.e. A minority conservative with liberal opposition or vice versa and the NDP to rock the boat)

Back to the OP, government workers have a very bad rep, anyone here who works or worked before for any ministry like myself will know exactly what I mean. I think it is mostly unions that gives them the bad rep. And I find it difficult for the common folks who work their butts off for $11/hr would sympathize for the unionized jobs being lost, putting science & prisons aside.
 
MadPoet said:
Next to fall is that stupid stupid man MCguinty with his HST thing. THEN my friend we will be very RIGHT, I can foresee an NDP government next for both after the conservatives and THEN AGAIN we are royally shafted. IMHO I think a mix of ideologies would be the closest to a decent government (I.e. A minority conservative with liberal opposition or vice versa and the NDP to rock the boat)

Back to the OP, government workers have a very bad rep, anyone here who works or worked before for any ministry like myself will know exactly what I mean. I think it is mostly unions that gives them the bad rep. And I find it difficult for the common folks who work their butts off for $11/hr would sympathize for the unionized jobs being lost, putting science & prisons aside.
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If a re-election was called tomorrow I don't think the NDP would do as well considering their new ex-Bloc leader.

We need more government departments. We need two post offices so they can compete with each other. Two immigration departments with bonuses going to the one making the best decisions. Two border agencies, do you want to clear through booth A or booth B?

Our crime and punishment concepts are a joke so for a bigger laugh let's make more prisons.
 
MadPoet said:
I am a small "C" conservative in nature and didn't want to see a majority conservative government. Thanks to IGGY, he single handedly obliterated the liberal party and the only one left to count on is leaving for treatment leaving a noob behind.

If I was to throw the blame, it won't be for the people who voted conservative; it would be for the idiot politicians who lost the people's confidence. There is little check and balance now from the opposition.

Good luck
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+ 1. Normally I'd vote Liberal, but I haven't been able to bring myself to do it the past few elections. Is the party SO bankrupt of any talent or ability to campaign, that they can't even get enough votes to at LEAST be the official opposition??

It was a lose-lose situation. I don't like Harper's Conservatives, the current version of the Liberal part makes me want to vomit, and then there's the NDP. There was no half-decent choice.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Technically you did and I did and we all did. During one election we were given a choice to have a hybrid riding-pop system, that would have made a majority with only 40% of the votes next to impossible.
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I'm pretty sure that was strictly provincial, therefore it would have nothing to do with the Federal politics being talked about here.

MadPoet said:
(I.e. A minority conservative with liberal opposition or vice versa and the NDP to rock the boat)
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Well since that's what we had for the last 7 or so years it does seem that the majority of Canadians didn't think it was working and either voted conservative or NDP.

MadPoet said:
Back to the OP, government workers have a very bad rep, anyone here who works or worked before for any ministry like myself will know exactly what I mean. I think it is mostly unions that gives them the bad rep. And I find it difficult for the common folks who work their butts off for $11/hr would sympathize for the unionized jobs being lost, putting science & prisons aside.
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I don't think government workers are any different than any other workers. I work in a warehouse for dry foods and you should see the dog f**kers here. With the government we all see it as a waste of our tax dollars, blah blah blah. But I don't see people complaining about the dog f**kers making the price of their food go up because the company has to pay more employees to pick up the slack.

Whether you get paid 11$/hr or 31$/hr, there's always going to be dog f**kers making the hard workers look bad.
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