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mimico_polak said:
I’d be lying if a small part of me wasn’t considering buying this thing…so glad I don’t have spare money…

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After having a ride in a reproduction Hackercraft in Clayton NY I was so tempted to build one.

A number of things stopped me. Five figures in mahogany was one. Fact 2 was I'm not a professional and that would reflect in any sales price should that come about. I would want an inboard big block so at least 28 feet. The logistics of usage would be a nightmare as I don't have a cottage, nevertheless one with a boathouse. People with money buy brand names so the home-built stuff goes cheap

In a lot of cases I just want to experience things without owning them. Renting can sometimes satisfy the urge.

PS If you like wooden boats put the museum in Clayton NY, (Thousand Islands area) on your wish list. Boldt Castle is also worth the visit.
 
My cousin is a retired US navy pilot , when he retired he was bored and missed the adrenaline rush , became a ‘pilot’ for a twin engine ( inline 570ci V8s ) drag boat , they later went to a jet powered drag boat. The owners sold out before anyone got crippled . They don’t nose in , they just get air and explode.


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GreyGhost said:
Well this looks bloody miserable. I didn't realize they made the humans proactively store energy.

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I'm aware of the winch grinding but do they now charge batteries to make it more efficient?
 
nobbie48 said:
I'm aware of the winch grinding but do they now charge batteries to make it more efficient?
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I don't know for sure. There were various comments that seemed plausible. Bike may be charging a hydraulic accumulator, it may be providing electrical power or maybe it can do both. Basically constant effort out of the rider instead of bursts of exceedingly high effort during tacks in old school sailing.
 
GreyGhost said:
I don't know for sure. There were various comments that seemed plausible. Bike may be charging a hydraulic accumulator, it may be providing electrical power or maybe it can do both. Basically constant effort out of the rider instead of bursts of exceedingly high effort during tacks in old school sailing.
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Racing and technology are so entwined. In a five hundred mile auto race, first and second place can be less than a second apart. Calculate that in miles per hour.

Displacement yachts racing along in light airs being passed by kids in rowboats.

Pick your poison or passion.
 
We raced a distance race last Saturday, 25-30 knots of wind speed and 5-6 ft waves in the lake . We blew up the roller furler and did some other small damage . About 3k all in for a new furler to win an $8 flag. New furler went up last night for a distance race this Saturday. Im on double top secret probation with my finance officer . If we wreck anything the season is over .

The peddle and grind Americas guys are providing electrical, they don’t allow stored energy so it has to be made . The rules are very goofy. You can now buy a fully foiling monohull recreational 60ft sailboat in Europe . The trickle down is here , but now your back to needing somebody that can safely operate a foiler. There is not a lot of training available and it’s a stupid expensive operation. Couple years ago I raced on an 80ft boat in the med . The engine was on all race to power the canting keel and winches . Hydraulic forestay/ backstay and mast jack and vang . Electric primaries and pilots . It was beyond silly but what a lunch they put on!


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crankcall said:
We raced a distance race last Saturday, 25-30 knots of wind speed and 5-6 ft waves in the lake . We blew up the roller furler and did some other small damage . About 3k all in for a new furler to win an $8 flag. New furler went up last night for a distance race this Saturday. Im on double top secret probation with my finance officer . If we wreck anything the season is over .

The peddle and grind Americas guys are providing electrical, they don’t allow stored energy so it has to be made . The rules are very goofy. You can now buy a fully foiling monohull recreational 60ft sailboat in Europe . The trickle down is here , but now your back to needing somebody that can safely operate a foiler. There is not a lot of training available and it’s a stupid expensive operation. Couple years ago I raced on an 80ft boat in the med . The engine was on all race to power the canting keel and winches . Hydraulic forestay/ backstay and mast jack and vang . Electric primaries and pilots . It was beyond silly but what a lunch they put on!


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Ah yes I was racing on Saturday as well (28th). Final race of the year at our club - great breeze! Had a double reef in the main and half of our genoa furled and were still close to hull speed most of the time (yet somehow despite that still lost mega on PHRF. It is what it is). Definitely put our standing rigging to the test that day...

As for the 80ft boat and the AC foilers - it's cool, but some part inside of me is still a bit of a purist for old school displacement and manual manpower. Maybe if I had a few more million to burn a year I'd be singing a different song, but I really am a sucker for the classics like 8Ms etc... Such an awesome looking experience.
 
MaksTO said:
Ah yes I was racing on Saturday as well (28th). Final race of the year at our club - great breeze! Had a double reef in the main and half of our genoa furled and were still close to hull speed most of the time (yet somehow despite that still lost mega on PHRF. It is what it is). Definitely put our standing rigging to the test that day...

As for the 80ft boat and the AC foilers - it's cool, but some part inside of me is still a bit of a purist for old school displacement and manual manpower. Maybe if I had a few more million to burn a year I'd be singing a different song, but I really am a sucker for the classics like 8Ms etc... Such an awesome looking experience.
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Parts of my moms extended family have been heavily involved with sailing for decades. I was too young to know anything but patriarch had beautiful sailing boats. I still remember the shape and navy blue paint with wood deck and accents. His son has raced J/105's for decades. Grandkids sailed in Canada games in Lasers.

Meanwhile I sail dinghies. May get another in a few years. ~16' monohull hopefully with a big sail plan to up the excitement level. We'll see if the kids want to do sailing school when they're the right age.
 
MaksTO said:
Ah yes I was racing on Saturday as well (28th). Final race of the year at our club - great breeze! Had a double reef in the main and half of our genoa furled and were still close to hull speed most of the time (yet somehow despite that still lost mega on PHRF. It is what it is). Definitely put our standing rigging to the test that day...

As for the 80ft boat and the AC foilers - it's cool, but some part inside of me is still a bit of a purist for old school displacement and manual manpower. Maybe if I had a few more million to burn a year I'd be singing a different song, but I really am a sucker for the classics like 8Ms etc... Such an awesome looking experience.
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As much as I respect the technology of the wind rockets a traditional hull better gets my long term attention.

Yeah the rockets can make 60 knots but can they make tea and toast?
 
I think the Sail GP record is 99.9kms. Thats really fast by any standards. And no you cant make tea, you do get some water and a a self contained breathing system inside your life vest so you have 15mins of air when the boat blows up. Such a different animal.
I love the look of a traditional hull shape , which is why I own an 80s leadmine. But I wont turn down a ride on a Vendee globe race boat.
 
GreyGhost said:
Parts of my moms extended family have been heavily involved with sailing for decades. I was too young to know anything but patriarch had beautiful sailing boats. I still remember the shape and navy blue paint with wood deck and accents. His son has raced J/105's for decades. Grandkids sailed in Canada games in Lasers.

Meanwhile I sail dinghies. May get another in a few years. ~16' monohull hopefully with a big sail plan to up the excitement level. We'll see if the kids want to do sailing school when they're the right age.
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I taught my kids to sail starting at 5. My middle one took to it quickly, he was harbor sailing solo within a year, we had a Sabot.

I learned to sail on Lake Simcoe. Sunfishes, then on locally built Norbergs and Lightnings.
 
I wish my kids sailed, they can run the basics but that is it. When I kids arrived I was sailing a lot on high level programs and even though we had a family sailboat , I couldnt shake my competive nature at the time . Family sailing sucked , 100% my fault . They sail with me now, and like it , but had to dial back 95% . If i could have a do over in life , it would be knowing when to take something serious and when to just let stuff happen
 
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