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FiReSTaRT said:
Drawing and firing on a guy who already has a gun pointed at you, while wearing motorcycle gloves and having to deal with at least one buddyboy in the bushes.. Yeah, great idea :rolleyes: I'm all for having a gun handy for self-defense, but in some situations, it's just not a smart idea.
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From a distance he probably wouldn't see it coming. With gps & bars sticking out, hard to see at a distance
 
RockerGuy said:
From a distance he probably wouldn't see it coming. With gps & bars sticking out, hard to see at a distance
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By the time he drew the gun, the machete-boy would have been hacking the rider's arm off and that's assuming there's just one machete-boy. You should know by now that I'm pro-gun and in favor of the laws recognizing the basic human right to defend your life, but I would have been reluctant to draw in this type of a situation.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Drawing and firing on a guy who already has a gun pointed at you, while wearing motorcycle gloves and having to deal with at least one buddyboy in the bushes.. Yeah, great idea :rolleyes:
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Was thinking the same thing. Not to mention the small detail of acquiring the gun in the first place. Forget bringing one with you from home as there's a world of trouble waiting for you at each border crossing.

Even if you had mad ninja skillz, gun toting dude on one side of the bike and machete wielding dude on the other...good luck. Riding solo is one thing, you're risking only your life. With a passenger (your wife, girlfriend or daughter) on the back, stakes go up. Ultimately this was a simple robbery and not a kidnapping. Brings back memories of a book I read a few years ago, Two Wheels Through Terror. Dude was kidnapped in Colombia quite a few years ago, pretty scary stuff.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Drawing and firing on a guy who already has a gun pointed at you, while wearing motorcycle gloves and having to deal with at least one buddyboy in the bushes.. Yeah, great idea :rolleyes: I'm all for having a gun handy for self-defense, but in some situations, it's just not a smart idea.
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If you're riding in a third world country, you should be expecting this and have a plan and be ready to execute it. By the time he said "****" I would've been on the throttle. The machete guy was useless as he was coming from behind. Whether or not the guy in front would've fired is / was the only gamble.


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I posted a comment another thread about gun possession and got flamed... this is what most people don't understand. Carrying a gun in a situation like this is more dangerous than helpful. Guys like these have nothing to loose... if they see you with a gun they will shoot you down without thinking twice. And going to shooting ranges or taking courses will not help you at all... when it comes down to it, unless you have really good military training, most people will get nervous at gun point and will miss/not know what to do.
 
Victor, you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.. There are plenty of examples out there where the gun owner defended him/herself with a firearm, either at home or when carrying. That doesn't mean that a gun would have helped in this situation, but more often than not it does.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Victor, you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.. There are plenty of examples out there where the gun owner defended him/herself with a firearm, either at home or when carrying. That doesn't mean that a gun would have helped in this situation, but more often than not it does.
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You are probably right... I mean, I grew up in Rio were people rob you from your car with a grenade on their hands... but I'm sure you have a lot more experience with that here in Canada. Lot's of examples on action movies on the TV.
 
victorbrca said:
You are probably right... I mean, I grew up in Rio were people rob you from your car with a grenade on their hands... but I'm sure you have a lot more experience with that here in Canada. Lot's of examples on action movies on the TV.
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More like local news, mostly south of the border. Now in Canada, you won't find any examples of people carrying guns defending themselves because it's illegal, but there have been cases where a gun at home saved the homeowner's life... Here's a couple..
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...-acquits-man-who-defended-himself-with-a-gun/
Ian Thomson: Judge rightly acquits man who defended himself with a gun

It took two and a half years, but Port Colborne, Ont., resident Ian Thomson is finally done defending himself. First he fought the men who tried to murder him. Then, his own government.

Mr. Thomson had long been involved in an increasingly angry property dispute with his neighbour. Early one August morning in 2010, four masked men shouting death threats began hurling firebombs at Mr. Thomson’s home. One of his pet dogs was injured; several fires in and around his home were set.

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Mr. Thomson, an experienced firearms instructor, called 911 immediately. He also armed himself with a .38 calibre revolver, stepped outside his home and fired three shots — one into his lawn, and two into a stand of trees. His attackers fled, and were later arrested.
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There was also a case in a remote community up north where 5 guys busted into a man's home with machetes (I'm sure they were selling bibles) and he pumped them full of lead.. Got arrested for illegal capacity magazine and also he may or may not have shot some of them in the back :cool: My take on it is that if you bust into a man's home to commit murder, you should go in there ready to die.

Also, I have a friend from South Africa and he never left the house without his rifle.. If he left the farm, he'd bring a Glock instead. Plenty of people carry down there and for a good reason. Brazil doesn't come anywhere near South Africa when it comes to the homicide rate.

My mother in law's stepmom in Chile never left the house without 2 revolvers in her purse.. Used one of them to defend herself from some muggers (with success). Chile is a pretty safe country, between Canada and the US.

P.S. I grew up in Belgrade during the fall of communism where gangbangers were shooting each other and anyone else they didn't like, plus they were setting bombs all over the place. You can bet your sweet behind that neither my dad nor any of my uncles went anywhere without being armed.

Edit: Found the machete story: (well one had a katana, another had a broken golf club and I'm not sure what the rest had)
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/31/chris-bishop/
Nunavut man who fired a semi-automatic rifle at five home intruders, killing three, has murder convictions overturned
A feud between young men culminated in a confrontation at the small house of Chris Bishop, 27. At 3 a.m. Mr. Bishop called the RCMP saying men were trying to break in.

Long before help arrived, his front door started to give way to the kicking, and he retreated to his bedroom. He readied a gun.

He held what is called an SKS-D, which he legally owned. The semi-automatic rifle is supposed to hold only five bullets but Mr. Bishop fitted it with a 25-bullet “banana clip,” an illegal add-on that gives it a similar appearance to an AK-47.

The first man through the bedroom door carried a samurai sword. Another had a broken golf club.

“The invaders’ aim was to injure Mr. Bishop seriously. Obviously a samurai sword can easily kill,” the judges said in their ruling. “They broke down the final refuge, the bedroom door.”

Mr. Bishop opened fire.

Once the shooting started, the invaders ran screaming from the house. Mr. Bishop followed, shooting again in the hallway and in the entranceway.

Outside, court heard, he stood on his porch.

An eyewitness said Mr. Bishop spotted a wounded invader falling in the snow and struggling to get up. Mr. Bishop raised his gun and fired at him, killing him. He fired at others scattering away, emptying his clip.

All three of the men killed died outside, one 42 metres from the front door. Another man and a woman were wounded.

Police arrived, not in time to help but in time to arrest Mr. Bishop.
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P.S. Gotta love the hug-a-thug method of law enforcement :(
 
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FiReSTaRT said:
More like local news, mostly south of the border. Now in Canada, you won't find any examples of people carrying guns defending themselves because it's illegal, but there have been cases where a gun at home saved the homeowner's life... Here's a couple..
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...-acquits-man-who-defended-himself-with-a-gun/


There was also a case in a remote community up north where 5 guys busted into a man's home with machetes (I'm sure they were selling bibles) and he pumped them full of lead.. Got arrested for illegal capacity magazine and also he may or may not have shot some of them in the back :cool: My take on it is that if you bust into a man's home to commit murder, you should go in there ready to die.

Also, I have a friend from South Africa and he never left the house without his rifle.. If he left the farm, he'd bring a Glock instead. Plenty of people carry down there and for a good reason. Brazil doesn't come anywhere near South Africa when it comes to the homicide rate.

My mother in law's stepmom in Chile never left the house without 2 revolvers in her purse.. Used one of them to defend herself from some muggers (with success). Chile is a pretty safe country, between Canada and the US.

P.S. I grew up in Belgrade during the fall of communism where gangbangers were shooting each other and anyone else they didn't like, plus they were setting bombs all over the place. You can bet your sweet behind that neither my dad nor any of my uncles went anywhere without being armed.

Edit: Found the machete story: (well one had a katana, another had a broken golf club and I'm not sure what the rest had)
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/31/chris-bishop/


P.S. Gotta love the hug-a-thug method of law enforcement :(
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Wow... first Serb that I meet that don't get his facts right. Btw, I've been to Belgrade and it's beautiful city... amazing food. Reminds me a lot of Brazil, without the violence.

Homicide Rate
South Africa - 31.8
Brazil - 21.8
Canada - 1.6

Anyways dude... you can give me as many examples as you want. Actually go through some of these scenarios and we can talk.

Vidimo se!
 
Im from bosnia and its very bad there. Epsecially foe us bosnian serbs. There is quite a bit of violence in former yugoslavia. Theyre more slick about it and dont get caught on video like the south americans

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victorbrca said:
Wow... first Serb that I meet that don't get his facts right. Btw, I've been to Belgrade and it's beautiful city... amazing food. Reminds me a lot of Brazil, without the violence.
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You haven't been there after the fall of communism when the cops went corrupt and criminals were running all over the place. Your $200 monthly salary turned into $5 by the end of the work day when they'd dole it out. Quite a few people didn't know what they'd eat day to day, so they turned to a life of crime. At the same time you had refugees and volunteers coming back from the war zones and the place is still flooded with firearms (although most are hidden away, just in case). At the time, you could buy a fully functional hand-grenade for $3. One guy with PTSD picked a fight with my cousin, got his *** kicked, left, got back, went after my cousin with a hand-grenade and blew himself up - my cousin ended up serving time over the incident. Now they sorted out the crime situation, as the cops are less corrupt (still pretty easy to grease'em, though but little by little - they can't go too big but you can grease your way out of a ticket.. don't ask me how I know :cool:), so the homicide rate is even lower than here.

The point I was trying to make is that in a country that makes Brazil look like a happy kindergarten, people who can afford it, still carry routinely for self protection. If a teenager is left home alone, chances are he/she has easy access to at least one gun. That means that having guns for protection works.

At which point would you want to deny a law-abiding citizen the right to defend him/herself? At 2? 3? 5? 10? For example if the homicide rate in a country is 9.9/100,000 they shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms for protection but at 10,1 they should be? What point are you trying to make? That regular people should lie down and take whatever the criminal element has to dish out? That people shouldn't defend themselves? Dude, I really can't figure you out.
 
All this talk about civilians cant shoot like the police /military.
Are you aware there are tactical courses out there? Ask some police officers when last they went to the range.

Some competitive shooters can shoot better than some officers with their eyes closed. You can paint this with one wide brush
 
RockerGuy said:
Some competitive shooters can shoot better than some officers with their eyes closed. You can paint this with one wide brush
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Most cops don't shoot in their entire career what some of us shoot in a 2 month period. Of course, we have some gunnut cops who shoot regularly and are REALLY good, but I wouldn't put much stock in the firearm training of your typical cop.
 
This is what some civilians might have access to

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A tactical course. Something I should do when planning a vacation in the US
[video=youtube;OlrGfhErqlg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlrGfhErqlg[/video]
 
For those of you who don't know, people get robbed at gun point at York University Area every other week.
 
Ugur Dinch said:
For those of you who don't know, people get robbed at gun point at York University Area every other week.
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Yeah.. Uhmmm.. According to Victor, those people should be defenseless against armed robbers because we live in Canada and not Brazil :cool:
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Yeah.. Uhmmm.. According to Victor, those people should be defenseless against armed robbers because we live in Canada and not Brazil :cool:
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We're Canadian, we have to learn to take it up the arse.
Talking about being defenseless & expensive merchandise of course
 
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