Rob Ford R.I.P.

One perfect example how Rob Ford was penny rich but sense poor. Rob Ford cut much of the tree trimming budget for the city. I don't have exact quotes but I remember watching city council and he just didn't understand why trees should cost so much. It was a waste to him. Gravy. That small percentage of the cities budget was essential for him to cut because it was 'waste'. Fast forward a few months and Toronto gets hit with an ice storm (which is common in Canada after all). All of those trees which should have been trimmed and managed ended up taking out all of the powerlines in my neighbourhood. It cost Toronto hydro a small fortune (which the city covers) to get power restored and to cut back the trees which hadn't been properly maintained by the city.

So the question is did Rob Ford save the city money? He counts the small budget savings as a yes towards his mythical billion dollars of savings but the reality is that Toronto would have been far better and saved a lot more money maintaining the trees than having to pay massive amounts on OT pay to restore the damage his choices caused. The man had little foresight and acted on feelings not facts.

Generally speaking, it's hard to get people to unanimously agree to risk mitigation spending, since they don't tangibly see the benefit, which is a potential reduction in the fallout spending.
 
Meh, I was in David Miller's old riding, and the powers that be decided that they should reroute the underground electrical overhead to make it easier to work on. Why take underground cables and run them past 100 year old trees that had a habit of falling over in a medium breeze?

None of Council seems to get things sometimes, and the bureaucrats aren't always willing or eager to let them in on the secrets.

Besides, wouldn't someone have to motion, another second, and the full Council vote on something like that?

Not to mention, that the Mayor's powers were stripped from him, not long after he was in office, so pretty much any mess up was Council and not Rob.

This was before council stripped his powers (and rightfully so)

Yes Ford had a crew of cronies trying to cash in on his outsider message also. Giorgio Mamolitti being the head clown and a generally terrible human also. Ford rode a wave of faux gravy train into office and was busy looking for pennies in the cushions rather than the big picture problems. Cutting the plate fee when the city is in a financial crunch is an example of this. Pro car anti transit (raising TTC passes $60 a year instead of plate fee) is not the way for a large city to operate. Ford flamed a divided city and played each citizen against each other which never leads to good things and creates division.

Subways may technically be better (although they seem to break down every storm also) but exchanging a fully funded transit system that would service all of scarborough for a 3 stop subway is just bad economics. Now scarborough is years away from either. LRT is fantastic for places where subways would be prohibitively expensive or that don't have the population density to justify a subway. A DT relief line would see many times the amount of users as a 3 stop stubway but Ford is never about what would serve Toronto best. The new streetcars are fantastic and I can't wait for them to be along Queen. In order to replace that volume with busses you would need 3-4 busses on the road for every streetcar. So are busses really better for traffic? The window for subways at a reasonable cost has long closed. The same people that whine for subways would never swallow the costs to actually accomplish this making most of the subway argument a non existent point. LRT is used in many large populated cities around the world and works very well as a compromise of cost and efficiency.

Personally I wish Toronto would revert to the lines before amalgamation. Old Toronto has different needs from Etobicoke or Scarborough and each should have their own city council and vote on the interests that reflect their citizens. In Scarborough cycling might be considered a leisure activity while those downtown is an important means of transportation. In the Downtown is is unusual for a family to have multiple vehicles but affordable transit is a priority to them. Amalgamation is the main reason for council being ineffective as their is little consensus as to what is best for the people and most issues end up being a 50/50 split which is never a good standard for healthy growth.
 
One perfect example how Rob Ford was penny rich but sense poor. Rob Ford cut much of the tree trimming budget for the city. I don't have exact quotes but I remember watching city council and he just didn't understand why trees should cost so much. It was a waste to him. Gravy. That small percentage of the cities budget was essential for him to cut because it was 'waste'. Fast forward a few months and Toronto gets hit with an ice storm (which is common in Canada after all). All of those trees which should have been trimmed and managed ended up taking out all of the powerlines in my neighbourhood. It cost Toronto hydro a small fortune (which the city covers) to get power restored and to cut back the trees which hadn't been properly maintained by the city.

So the question is did Rob Ford save the city money? He counts the small budget savings as a yes towards his mythical billion dollars of savings but the reality is that Toronto would have been far better and saved a lot more money maintaining the trees than having to pay massive amounts on OT pay to restore the damage his choices caused. The man had little foresight and acted on feelings not facts.

That makes no sense. I worked for parks and rec when I was at school. Trees in a neighbourhood are typically trimmed every 4-5 years. There were cut backs in 2011 and the ice storm was in 2013. You are actually saying that those trees grew so much in 2 years that they took out all the power in those areas...
 
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That makes no sense. I worked for parks and rec when I was at school. Trees in a neighbourhood are typically trimmed every 4-5 years. There were cut backs in 2011 and the ice storm was in 2013. You are actually saying that those trees grew so much in 2 years that they took out all the power in those areas...

The trees were due to be trimmed and then nothing. Many of my neighbours including myself had called the city as we were concerned that they hadn't been trimmed for many years and were told that the budget was cut and the trimming had been pushed beyond normal ranges.
 
This was before council stripped his powers (and rightfully so) Yes Ford had a crew of cronies trying to cash in on his outsider message also. Giorgio Mamolitti being the head clown and a generally terrible human also. Ford rode a wave of faux gravy train into office and was busy looking for pennies in the cushions rather than the big picture problems. Cutting the plate fee when the city is in a financial crunch is an example of this. Pro car anti transit (raising TTC passes $60 a year instead of plate fee) is not the way for a large city to operate. Ford flamed a divided city and played each citizen against each other which never leads to good things and creates division. Subways may technically be better (although they seem to break down every storm also) but exchanging a fully funded transit system that would service all of scarborough for a 3 stop subway is just bad economics. Now scarborough is years away from either. LRT is fantastic for places where subways would be prohibitively expensive or that don't have the population density to justify a subway. A DT relief line would see many times the amount of users as a 3 stop stubway but Ford is never about what would serve Toronto best. The new streetcars are fantastic and I can't wait for them to be along Queen. In order to replace that volume with busses you would need 3-4 busses on the road for every streetcar. So are busses really better for traffic? The window for subways at a reasonable cost has long closed. The same people that whine for subways would never swallow the costs to actually accomplish this making most of the subway argument a non existent point. LRT is used in many large populated cities around the world and works very well as a compromise of cost and efficiency. Personally I wish Toronto would revert to the lines before amalgamation. Old Toronto has different needs from Etobicoke or Scarborough and each should have their own city council and vote on the interests that reflect their citizens. In Scarborough cycling might be considered a leisure activity while those downtown is an important means of transportation. In the Downtown is is unusual for a family to have multiple vehicles but affordable transit is a priority to them. Amalgamation is the main reason for council being ineffective as their is little consensus as to what is best for the people and most issues end up being a 50/50 split which is never a good standard for healthy growth.

Ok, so you appeared to have given some opinions and presented them as facts.

So I called you on it, rightfully so, and you've now presented more opinions, some of which are quite obviously false.

Do you not actually have the facts?

Will you just keep presenting more and more opinions, when questioned?

Where are the facts?
 
The trees were due to be trimmed and then nothing. Many of my neighbours including myself had called the city as we were concerned that they hadn't been trimmed for many years and were told that the budget was cut and the trimming had been pushed beyond normal ranges.

Isn't there some municipal, provincial, ESA regulation where branches have to be more than x metres from hydro lines that the city would need to adhere to? I remember getting a notice from Toronto Hydro that I was not in compliance but since the tree was not on city property it was my problem.

They gave me a list of approved contractors and a deadline to get it trimed. I ended up doing it myself which was probably pretty dumb in hindsight
 
Ok, so you appeared to have given some opinions and presented them as facts.

So I called you on it, rightfully so, and you've now presented more opinions, some of which are quite obviously false.

Do you not actually have the facts?

Will you just keep presenting more and more opinions, when questioned?

Where are the facts?

What did you exactly call me on in your previous post? That the tree budget was cut before Rob lost his powers? That other councillors hungry for appointments and favour with the mayor voted a long with him? I'm missing what you are acting so smug about. Please point out the 'quite obviously false' statements please.

Yes much of this is my opinion because we are having a discussion just as your love of Rob Ford is based on your opinion. Where are your facts to support Rob Ford being a great mayor? Other than contracting out garbage to half the city and saving minor bits of the budget what did Rob Ford do that is worthy of praise?
 
Isn't there some municipal, provincial, ESA regulation where branches have to be more than x metres from hydro lines that the city would need to adhere to? I remember getting a notice from Toronto Hydro that I was not in compliance but since the tree was not on city property it was my problem.

They gave me a list of approved contractors and a deadline to get it trimed. I ended up doing it myself which was probably pretty dumb in hindsight

I thought there were strict guidelines also which is why many neighbours called the city as the trees were on city property. We were told that the budget had been cut and the trees would not be trimmed on the usual schedule. Maybe this was wrong information but its what I was told when I inquired.
 
I'd vote for him again. Unfortunately, even dead, he'd contribute more than some of the Councillors.

Can anyone explain why LRT?
It has never made sense to me, and after witnessing Scarborough LRT and the St. Clair Street car right of way, it makes even less.

Why tear down the Gardiner?

Why promise green space, and then throw up Condos?

Why throw up a Streetcar right of way, right along a "bike route", and force bikes and cars to share a single lane?

Why remove entire lanes from roadways?

Why place speed bumps everywhere?

Why threaten to close down swimming pools every year?

This is some of the stuff that Rob was up against.

We really need to take back City Hall, and turn things to a more positive direction.
This isn't the thread for that, but if you want to post somewhere else I can offer answers to some of those questions.
 
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