Riding without a helmet

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I AM A ATGATT RIDER. THIS THREAD IS FOR THEORY CRAFTING PURPOSES ONLY.
Now that that's out of the way...

If money is what makes the world go round, would removing the helmet law increase or decrease the following:

  • Medical attention
    • Since we have free med care, the issue quickly becomes a matter of resources. A person who instantly dies obviously requires less resources than one that is hanging onto the edge of life.
  • Insurance
    • I have been told, straight up, by multiple brokers that dying is cheaper than living for them in the event of a motorcycle accident.

There is absolutely no doubt that going helmetless is stupid and increases your chance of death more than shooting cocaine everyday but since we don't have a ATGATT law, what's the point of the helmet law?

I'm not sure which is worse: a TBI (traumatic brain injury) or road rash level 9000+.
 
It's because there are no seatbelts laws for motorcycles, so they wanted to be fair and have an even number of laws for ever thang.
 
Meh, when I decide to ride without a lid on it is of no concern to you.

Point of the law is nannyism. Trying to keep me safe from myself.
 
Well, health care is not free, we pay for it through taxes. I from the thought of, helmets only protect you, its your life, you should be able to choose. I do think eye protection should be mandatory. If you fall off your bike or crash or w/e with no helmet and your head explodes that only affects you and your family. If some one throws say a cigarette out th window, and it hits you in the face, ambers go in both eyes, and you veer out of your lane and hit another car or they veer away to avoid hitting you and crash thats just ****ed. For example this,
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if any one was in the back they are dead now. I'm not saying it happens alot but what if this guy or girl had his visor up, and something hit his face went into his eyes, and he/she tried to rub it out and he/she runs a light and smash.... I'm sure thats not what happened, as buddyw as probably going way to fast but you get my point i hope.

I will always wear a full face helmet, i might squid it when I goto the beer store down the street but thats about it.
 
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In New Hampshire there are no helmet or seatbelt laws. State motto is "Live free or die". But one thing I noticed while touring there; every rider I saw with no helmet was bald. Not sure if the baldness was caused by the wind blowing their hair clean off at 65 m/hr or if it's because bald guys aren't worried about having messy hair from the wind.

Either way I found it curious.

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The presumption is if riding without a helmet will result in death. However, not all riders die. Many require expensive and prolonged treatment and support. That gets real spendy.

The American system leaves it up to the rider to have insurance and take legal action. That takes years, many give up or run out of money. If there is a judgement in their favor, they can barely cover the legal expenses, let alone the medical. The successful cases are posters for the legal firms.

So, yes. Dying is cheaper to the system. But, they don't offset the expense of the increased catastrophic head injuries.........
 
I've ridden helmetless in states that legally allow it, absolutely amazing feeling. But I'm all for having a helmet law, not wearing one is simply not worth the risks.

Look at the fallen riders section. How many deaths or serious injuries are caused by sudden impact vs sliding down the road? They're all sudden impact. Something that gear for the most part won't do much about with the exception of a helmet.

We don't live in a libertarian society (thankfully), to a large degree the government does dictate what we can and can't do, mostly to our benefit. A helmet law is simply one of the rules setup to protect us from our own stupidity, same thing with a seatbelt.
 
nakkers said:
The presumption is if riding without a helmet will result in death. However, not all riders die. Many require expensive and prolonged treatment and support. That gets real spendy.
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this.

We pay 44% of our taxes to health care in Ontario. Some idiot wants to get killed without gear, I really don't care, that's Darwinism. The problem is that while it's easy to find fatality rates on the interweb, it's much harder to find serious injury rates, and head injuries will make you unemployable and on welfare the rest of your life.

The same guys who spew BS about Freedom and liberty -they are the first ones to suck off the system when things go bad and start suing everyone and demanding social support.

But, even in the US, you will have a tough time suing anyone if you decided not to wear a helmet or seatbelt -that's insurance lawyer fodder.

Libertarians whine about "nanny state", but the death and injury rates in Canada now are half what they were in the 1970s, due to seatbelt laws, airbags, crash standards and ABS brakes.
That means in the last decade alone, over 30,000 lives were saved, and many more serious injuries prevented. Many of those saved are likely bitching about the "nanny state".
 
i rode helmetless to move and reposition my bike and it felt weird. in high speeds, i'm sure it would be hard for me to breathe with all the gusting of wind blowing up my nose.
 
delfonic said:
i rode helmetless to move and reposition my bike and it felt weird. in high speeds, i'm sure it would be hard for me to breathe with all the gusting of wind blowing up my nose.
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You clearly never jumped out of a plane =)
 
Great comments. It's not about instant death when you wear a helmet, how many people do you know get into minor accidents? Hit their head? Scraped their helmet? Imagine how costly that is now when it was their head and not their helmet. A lot more than even a $1000 arai helmet.

There's a hidden statistic..minor bike crashes and injuries that go unreported. Probably at least 90% since nobody wants to claim those. now imagine all of those that included some kind of contact with the head, and that's where your money is going to.

There's quite a few fatalities on bike. But how many crashes are there compared to that? Much much more. The argument of "with no helmet you'd be dead anyways and it'd be cheaper" is illogical.
 
bboySushi said:
There's quite a few fatalities on bike. But how many crashes are there compared to that? Much much more. The argument of "with no helmet you'd be dead anyways and it'd be cheaper" is illogical.
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It's an ignorant argument that only sees things one way. Much like the popular idea in the US that everyone would be safer carrying loaded assault rifles and handguns, which is why they are now legal in some states in children's schools, playgrounds and of course, churches.
 
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Pretty ignorant to call us all ****tards.

If I want to ride with no lid and with private insurance I do. It's that simple. For me it's an option when traveling.

You care about you, don't worry about me.
 
meme said:
Pretty ignorant to call us all ****tards.

If I want to ride with no lid and with private insurance I do. It's that simple. For me it's an option when traveling.

You care about you, don't worry about me.
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Sure, until you suffer a head injury that requires a lifetime of hospital care, then we all pay.

The "F-you, I do what I want" trailer park argument is **********. This was Gary Busey's opinion until he fell into a coma after he hit his head on a curb.

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In fantasy land, it would be cool if we can collect the squids that become brain-damaged and put them in a terrarium like we do the Gorillas at the zoo.

Here's what I envision, x100's:
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