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Red light camera ticket for turning right
- Thread starter Fuzzbuster
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My wife got while several years ago. It was also a right hand turn.
Pictures showed brake lights were on.
I went to fight it and was told there are sensors on in the road that detect if you stopped fully or not. I think the stop needs to be 3 seconds.
I ended up paying for it.
Pictures showed brake lights were on.
I went to fight it and was told there are sensors on in the road that detect if you stopped fully or not. I think the stop needs to be 3 seconds.
I ended up paying for it.
That's BS. They can't enforce an arbitrary three second stop. That is not supported by law. Back to fundraising as the primary goal of these cameras.
TK4
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There's a stop sign in my neighborhood where the cross street is obscured by a high hedge. The only safe way is to stop completely, creep ahead slowly and look. Not that it makes much difference but it would make a dandy fishing hole.
Total BS. They were lying to you.
I may be wrong about the 3 seconds. However they did day it was a rolling stop and not a complete stop. Determined by the sensors.
Fuzzbuster
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I fully understand nailing people for running reds. I actually like stopping hard for yellow/ reds on my motorcycle if no one is behind me because it is actually fun! But the right turn thing just makes no sense. Most people don't even know the correct position to be in for a complete stop. And now leaving it up to a camera to decide, who knows where the camera is calibrated to make that exact determined position? Anyways, I chose to talk to the prosecutor first and see where that goes. I mailed it off today! I will definitely be asking for disclosure and any maintenance records. Its kind of funny that you actually break the law if you come to a complete stop because you still then have to run the red to make the turn! It should really be a ticket for incomplete stop which is I believe $110 and not a red light camera ticket of $325.
but would incomplete stop be a moving violation?
My first question is...was this a no right on red intersection? Personally, that's the only way I could see how they could make this charge stick as anything else would provide a heck fo a burden on the crown to prove. I'd certainly be asking for ALL disclosure, and if there's no video you could have this thrown out in short order by just saying "I stopped but the system apparently failed to register it, and you can't prove otherwise based on the information the crown provided".
But if it was a no right on red intersection, you're screwed no matter what - I could entirely see those triggering immediately after you pass the white line.
Those sensors are unreliable - the one down the road from me that triggers the light onto Highway 2 doesn't even work half the time, you need to roll back and forth sometimes to get it to register your vehicle. If they tried this I'd be insisting even more for disclosure.
But if it was a no right on red intersection, you're screwed no matter what - I could entirely see those triggering immediately after you pass the white line.
Those sensors are unreliable - the one down the road from me that triggers the light onto Highway 2 doesn't even work half the time, you need to roll back and forth sometimes to get it to register your vehicle. If they tried this I'd be insisting even more for disclosure.
I work on the roads. That kind of sensor often fails. It is a loop of wire embedded in the pavement, under that rectangular tar snake that you can see. It needs a mass of metal to detect; exactly the same technology as a hand held metal detector, as used for treasure hunting. In that case, the loop is inside the disc at the lower end, commonly called the coil. As for a sensor telling them when and if you stopped, I call total BS. Somebody made that up. Often (almost always) our bikes don't have enough mass to trigger the mechanism which is calibrated for cars. That's why you can sit there forever waiting, until a car shows up over the coil.
Fuzzbuster
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In this situation it is a complete stop on red in the exact location the camera wants and then proceed to turn right when safe. In other words you can make a right turn on red.
Relax
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Me too - although I stop at red lights before turning right, I never stop before the line.
If there are pedestrians, I will stop before the stop line. When no pedestrians are around, most of the time I stop closer to the curb line. I very rarely do the double stop that I am supposed to do.
Relax
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Hopefully not the same sensors that are so accurate at detecting motorcycles waiting forever at red lights.
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