Radar Detectors and Laser Jammer/Reflectors

[iFly55]

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Knowing that it is illegal to "use" a detector in Ontario, what is the implication of possession?
I am over the border regularly, where it is legal. What happens when crossing the border?
Firearms cannot be taken over the border (possible exception of hunting I presume?) does this fall in a simlar situation?

I don't believe you'll have a problem with CBSA at the border, it's when you get on Ontario roads where you'll most likely get pulled over, and they will confiscate/destroy it at roadside

the out-of-court fine for s79 (2) is $140 + $25 Victim Surcharge + $5 court fee = $170

s79 (2) also carries three demerit points

if you choose to go trial and loose, the crown can raise the fine up-to $1000





RE: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm#BK138

Speed measuring warning devices

79. (1) In this section,

“speed measuring warning device” means any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to warn the driver of the presence of speed measuring equipment in the vicinity and includes any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to interfere with the effective operation of speed measuring equipment. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Speed measuring warning device prohibited

(2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle that is equipped with or that carries or contains a speed measuring warning device. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Powers of police officer

(3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a speed measuring warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any speed measuring warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Forfeiture of device

(4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under this section, any device seized under subsection (3) by means of which the offence was committed is forfeited to the Crown. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (4).

Penalty

(8 ) Every person who contravenes subsection (7) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable,
(a) for a first offence, to a fine of not more than $1,000; and
(b) for each subsequent offence, to a fine of not more than $5,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (8 ).

RE: http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/files/setfines/one/schedule43.doc

RE: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_940339_e.htm

Item	Provisions for Offences	Number of Demerit Points	Short Description of Offences for Convenience of Reference only
37	Subsection 79 (2) of the Highway Traffic Act	3​	Motor vehicle equipped with or carrying a speed measuring warning device

 

[omega8]

This is what surprises me. It's illegal to use a "speed measuring warning device". But it is ok to warn others of speedtraps to oncoming motorist, whether it is by flashing headlights, tapping helmet, motioning with your hands, or heck even just a big poster that just says, 'speedtrap ahead, slow down'.


Some laws just doesn't make sense.

 

[knowledge]

I swear it makes more sense for OP to just get better at taking corners and learning to run. Obviously, don't do it every time...but try not to put yourself in situations you don't want to be in, and learn to run if you accidentally do.

I actually find that having my left hand on my leg helps keep my speed down, for some weird reason. Damn you, El_Zilcho!

edit: also...FTP

 

[油井緋色]

I swear it makes more sense for OP to just get better at taking corners and learning to run. Obviously, don't do it every time...but try not to put yourself in situations you don't want to be in, and learn to run if you accidentally do.

I actually find that having my left hand on my leg helps keep my speed down, for some weird reason. Damn you, El_Zilcho!

edit: also...FTP

My current bike honestly isn't fast enough to get me into **** neither can it outrun cops lol

 

[suprPHREAK]

I solved the RADAR issue by buying a can of Plasti-dip, and mixing it with iron pellets. This is basically how RAM on fighter jets is made. I sprayed the bike with is, nice and thick. It weighs 50lbs more now, but thats fine. Had a cop buddy test-read me with his radar and it wouldnt see me. Because it is flat black, it doesnt reflect LIDAR as early, so it gives me some warning.

Totally worth it bro.

 

[psycho44]

I don't know how serious people are about this.

The main reason why I would ever consider any of this **** is, once again, the 50 over law. I used to go 160 from here to Western Ontario on a weekly basis.

So now you can go 155.

 

[suzuki2000]

I don't believe you'll have a problem with CBSA at the border, it's when you get on Ontario roads where you'll most likely get pulled over, and they will confiscate/destroy it at roadside

So CBSA won't cae, not under their jurasdiction. So you enter the ontario motorways, the unit is with you, say in the trunk unpowered,..., clearly not in use. Lets say you get pulled over, and an officer for whatever reason elects to search your vehicle ( i beleive they have the power to do so), finds a unit in your trunk, clearly not in use, obviously not hidden during the road stop. Is it still confiscatable?

 

[suprPHREAK]

So CBSA won't cae, not under their jurasdiction. So you enter the ontario motorways, the unit is with you, say in the trunk unpowered,..., clearly not in use. Lets say you get pulled over, and an officer for whatever reason elects to search your vehicle ( i beleive they have the power to do so), finds a unit in your trunk, clearly not in use, obviously not hidden during the road stop. Is it still confiscatable?

They cannot randomly search your vehicle unless they have reasonable grounds. REMEMBER THAT!!

If they do have reasonable grounds, they would have to justify why the detector in that circumstance was material to the search. It is impossible for them to say "i had the belief based on his change in speed that a detector was on board". You could have just been like any other twit and slammed on your brakes when you saw the cop. This is not a crime, therefore not grounds for a search. "I smelled the strong odour of what I believe to be marijuana, and decided to search the vehicle for evidence" would allow the search, but upon finding the detector would be immaterial to that search. Officers are not allowed to go fishing, meaning they cannot search you for evidence of one crime, hoping to find whatever charge then can get. However, if they find evidence of other crimes during the search, they can take evidence accordingly. A radar detector is NOT a crime!

If an officer's detector-detector detected your detector, then they may have grounds for a search if they could confirm it was your vehicle which has it. That said, I don't think those work when the unit is off.

THAT SAID! If it is in plain sight, and powered off/disconnected, it is fair game. So, if you have to go to your trunk for your license, and he sees the detector, its as good as gone.

 

[GentlemanRacer]

I solved the RADAR issue by buying a can of Plasti-dip, and mixing it with iron pellets. This is basically how RAM on fighter jets is made. I sprayed the bike with is, nice and thick. It weighs 50lbs more now, but thats fine. Had a cop buddy test-read me with his radar and it wouldnt see me. Because it is flat black, it doesnt reflect LIDAR as early, so it gives me some warning.

Totally worth it bro.

So, seriously, I was going to get into this for radar, but didn't want to give it away. Since you've basically doxed it: there is a slightly more reliable way to create the shield with flakes of a magnetic alloy and then aligning them in one direction at a specific angle using a magnetic field while the solution dries.

Wrt LIDAR, well, your cop buddy would tell you he didn't see anything. It would make more sense to just coat the perpendicular/vertical reflective edges than the whole bike, since everything else will just deflect away. Same effect, but lt 50lbs.

Clearly a few hackers on this board.

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