No desire to have any gadgets on a street bike, well maybe TPMS would be an exception.
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Quick Shifter - Thoughts?
- Thread starter Jampy00
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love that too!
bigpoppa
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in my experience...the best 'quickshifting' up and down is in manual mode of the africa twin(DCT model), throttle position, revs, gear are almost irrelevant, it is pure finesse.
2nd place goes to the tuono with its slick quickshifter, even at mundane speeds it worked really well...
2nd place goes to the tuono with its slick quickshifter, even at mundane speeds it worked really well...
Aens
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Yeah, if $600 is too much for the feature for the others, then $600 is too much for the feature to them.
Spirited riding with a smaller displacement engine and/or shorter gearing, then autoblip is a huge qualify of life improvement. If your corner entry speed and your mean average speed are quite disparate and the objective is trying to stay in the power band on exit, then certainly easier than rev matching while on the front brakes just before turn in. Again, this only applies to spirited riding where braking, downshifting and being in the power band are all necessary. Personally, auto blip is a mandatory requirement if I were to buy another new model bike.
A Quickshifter is less useful with how easy it is to clutchless however. You also would only need to upshift in moments where there is less of a queue of things you must do in order for something bad to not happen.
If you are riding a bike that doesn't need to shift cause huge displacement and tall gearing or there is no difference in corner entry speed and mean average speed for your type of desired riding or you start braking for a slight bend in the road before you exit your driveway, then QS/Autoblip is about as useful as a condom in a farming community. Blasphemy to the church.
For me a bike without a quick shifter would be a deal breaker. When people say you can shift as fast manually, that is not really true, recently, one of the WSBK riders lost his quickshifter halfway through the race and that cost him 3 seconds per lap (he ended up retiring the bike because of it). Very convenient and when implemented properly, super smooth shifts.
Chris-CJ
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A type of QS was available with the 70's model Jawa. The gear shift did triple duty, it was a kick-starter, a regular gear shifter and a clutchless gear shifter. In fact you could ease away in first gear just by manipulating the shifter.
www.cyclechaos.com
Jawa 250 - CycleChaos
I wanna hear more about this. The link doesn't elaborate on itA type of QS was available with the 70's model Jawa. The gear shift did triple duty, it was a kick-starter, a regular gear shifter and a clutchless gear shifter. In fact you could ease away in first gear just by manipulating the shifter.
Jawa 250 - CycleChaos
Check out the Chrysler "Hy-Drive" from the 50's.
Three on the tree.......three pedals.....could be driven either using, or not bothering to use the clutch pedal. My aunt had one in a Plymouth (50 something)
Chris-CJ
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That model is no longer in production and I have not been able to find pertinent literature, sorry. A buddy in NJ had recently imported one of these to the US for $6K and that is how I know the intricacies of that model's gear shift.
Chris-CJ
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Me too!
For regular road trips, it is nice to have but I would not pay to have one unless the bike is also track ridden.
(Test rode a BMW S1K, with the qs)
But this is about riding on the street, not a race. On the street you're not going to be pushing it to even notice losing 3 seconds over 2 kms.
The fanciest tech on my street bike is a gas light. Both race bikes has quick shifters but I've never once thought I needed one to cruise on the road. I just blip the throttle if I don't feel like using the clutch.
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FWIW.. I also think QS is more of a bling than anything useful. And honestly, if you have QS one-way (i.e. only up and no downshift/autoblipper). I think its quite useless.
You can get out a bit faster out of the line with a QS... but seriously.. if you do clutchless shift/preloading gears.. you have the same result.. the only difference is that quick shift you don't have to let go our your throttle..
I would say its more of a convenient feature on the street.. but I guess if you track and u want to just hop into higher gears to pick up speed... or drop from 5th to 3rd into a corner... a QS w/ autoblip up and down will help those precious milliseconds...
I have it on my RS660 .. and its hella fun to get up to speed and down shift into a corner... but lets be honest here.. we are in Toronto.. mostly sit and go traffic.. I just clutch... i m not hurrying off the line to the next red light ...
You can get out a bit faster out of the line with a QS... but seriously.. if you do clutchless shift/preloading gears.. you have the same result.. the only difference is that quick shift you don't have to let go our your throttle..
I would say its more of a convenient feature on the street.. but I guess if you track and u want to just hop into higher gears to pick up speed... or drop from 5th to 3rd into a corner... a QS w/ autoblip up and down will help those precious milliseconds...
I have it on my RS660 .. and its hella fun to get up to speed and down shift into a corner... but lets be honest here.. we are in Toronto.. mostly sit and go traffic.. I just clutch... i m not hurrying off the line to the next red light ...
and doesn't the R6 QS only go up? I remember there is no downshift... don't bother if its only UP-QuickShift..
justride
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I emailed Annitori about that exact samething
We have considered adding an "auto blipper" to our QS PRO 2, but for now have chosen not to. Let us explain why...
- Adding an auto-blipper that works even halfway decently makes our $200 product a $800+ product, which is not the idea behind the QS PRO. We sell top of the line technology at a FANTASTIC price, so that anyone from a CB500F, or R3 or FZ-1 to a full blown racebike can use one. Most of our riders just want a shifter for the fun of using one while riding or doing track days, not looking to add 10% to the cost of their bike for minimal benefit.
- Adding a QS PRO can take seconds off your lap time, because the QS PRO saves you the time wasted and acceleration lost when manually using a clutch. When downshifting you are already off the gas, so auto-blipping has almost no effect on the performance aspect of your ride. Your lap time and fun factor is going to be improved using the QS PRO; but virtually the same with or without a blipper.
What about the convenience of using an auto-blipper?
- Yes, it is a convenience, but for many of the reasons listed below we suggest that aftermarket blippers give very little back for the expense or effort…?
- Any modern bike, when off the gas, can already downshift without the clutch. We would guess you have done this on your bike already? They can do this because…
- Given the prevalence of slipper clutches on modern bikes, and the extremely tight gear ratio’s of modern sportbikes, most downshifts from the higher gears are almost as smooth with or without a blipper.
- Lower gears are a bit more “jump”, we agree. But it is exactly this that leads to the problem with almost all aftermarket (not OEM) blippers:
- Auto-blippers, except the OEM versions, from our experience, are VERY limited designs; because to truly do it right you need to know many, many parameters. How much “blip” you need at one rpm is completely different from what you need at another rpm. Then you add in all the possible gear ratios to all these possible rpm’s (not to mention all the possible changed gear ratios you may add to your bike with sprocket changes), and you have an incredible mess of how much blip you need. The amount of blip you need at 12,000 rpm’s in 6 is COMPLETELY different than what you need at 5,000 rpm’s in 2nd. Which means you are wrong most of the time with whatever setting you choose…
- All of which makes it even harder to do it right unless you are tied into the bike in a huge way, like an OEM version. Without being tied into EVERYTHING on the bike, aftermarket auto blippers usually just mean added expense, added possible problems, added reliability questions – all for virtually no gain in performance.
- Oh, and always remember – using your right wrist to blip the throttle is FREE every time.
Here is a link to a video showing our QS PRO 2 going through the gearbox. As you can see there is very little difference in either direction and helps demonstrate why we feel the expense and complication of aftermarket auto-blippers are not something worth the added expense (if you want to save time you can go to 3:07 to see the short version).
That is not to say that auto-blippers are not useful, just not sure at this point that the aftermarket has found a solution that comes even close to being worth the expense or effort.
Does this help explain why, even though we could, we have chosen not to get involved with blippers yet?
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Well, I do not agree.
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