Question about Tires HELP PLEASE

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reciprocity said:
I didn't say "I" couldn't, but I've done a LOT of tire testing with different manufacturers on the street and the race track on over 100 different bikes and I'll stick by the statement that VERY few riders can tell the difference.
just curious what your experience is in this area, have you had tire brands changed on you mid day during testing?
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I didn't say it was a requirement.

I'm just attempting to determine the experience level that I'm dealing with.

Lots of people claim to be able to tell the difference between tires and make statements like "BRAND X is crap, I can only ride on Brand Y because I like to rip on the streets etc and brand X doesn't offer enough traction"

But if you put brand X on their bike without them knowing, and inquired about the feedback, grip etc. they'd sing the praises of the tire.
 
reciprocity said:
I didn't say it was a requirement.

I'm just attempting to determine the experience level that I'm dealing with.

Lots of people claim to be able to tell the difference between tires and make statements like "BRAND X is crap, I can only ride on Brand Y because I like to rip on the streets etc and brand X doesn't offer enough traction"

But if you put brand X on their bike without them knowing, and inquired about the feedback, grip etc. they'd sing the praises of the tire.
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Not to mention people tend to switch from a worn out, squared off, cupped set of X brand tires to a brand new set of Y brand tires. Their opinions of the tires are skewed by the difference in condition.
 
reciprocity said:
I didn't say it was a requirement.

I'm just attempting to determine the experience level that I'm dealing with.

Lots of people claim to be able to tell the difference between tires and make statements like "BRAND X is crap, I can only ride on Brand Y because I like to rip on the streets etc and brand X doesn't offer enough traction"

But if you put brand X on their bike without them knowing, and inquired about the feedback, grip etc. they'd sing the praises of the tire.
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I've done some touring and some trackdays.

I agree, there are lots of people out there who do their riding or their sessions without any thought to their tire pressure that day or their front/rear profile, but I think saying 95% of people can't tell is going too far.

Getting back to the original purpose of this thread, I think that there are few, if any, problems that can only be solved by have diff manufacturers front/back, instead of perhaps experimenting with tire pressures and profiles. How many people run a 120/60 in the front, and haven't thought twice about either that profile or the pressure being wrong for the bike instead of the brand? If you're mixing brands, you'll never figure this out. 120/60 tires vary in their characteristics from manufacturer to manufacturer, as you well know.
 
Crashtest said:
I agree, there are lots of people out there who do their riding or their sessions without any thought to their tire pressure that day or their front/rear profile, but I think saying 95% of people can't tell is going too far.

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If you were to to a trackday with several tire vendors and you had each manufacturer's front line, performance street tire installed on your bike, with each tire set up for that particular brand's optimum performance I'm quite confident that 95% of experienced trackday riders would not know the difference between the tires unless they were informed or were aware that there was a change made.

I'd argue that most experienced trackday riders will have better awareness to change than a street-only rider, so they would be a better candidate group to test with.

I've witnessed this first hand and seen the results.
 
reciprocity said:
If you were to to a trackday with several tire vendors and you had each manufacturer's front line, performance street tire installed on your bike, with each tire set up for that particular brand's optimum performance I'm quite confident that 95% of experienced trackday riders would not know the difference between the tires unless they were informed or were aware that there was a change made.

I'd argue that most experienced trackday riders will have better awareness to change than a street-only rider, so they would be a better candidate group to test with.

I've witnessed this first hand and seen the results.
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I'll bet there's lots of guys out there who have never had their bike setup optimally to begin with :)

I'd *love* to go on a blind-tire test. I would also insist on not even seeing the tread before mounting the bike. Everybody has a bias to some extent, and that's the only way to remove it.
 
Crashtest said:
I'll bet there's lots of guys out there who have never had their bike setup optimally to begin with :)
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This is unfortunately the case


Crashtest said:
I'd *love* to go on a blind-tire test. I would also insist on not even seeing the tread before mounting the bike. Everybody has a bias to some extent, and that's the only way to remove it.
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I've got lots of tires available, how many different tire manufacturers do you want to sample?
 
reciprocity said:
This is unfortunately the case




I've got lots of tires available, how many different tire manufacturers do you want to sample?
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Primarily I'm curious about the sport-touring offerings from Dunlop. I'd run D207s long ago on two radically different bikes; on the touring bike they felt meh at best with poor wet grip, and on the trackbike they felt like wood with very little feedback at all. Perhaps things have changed.

This is an offer I'll have to take a rain-cheque on for the moment though, as I'm only just getting back into riding after a long hiatus. No point in doing a tire test until I'm re-confident in my own abilities and have an excellent idea of how my own ride performs.
 
I admit, I ain't no tire expert.

But as soon as I put on some Bstone 016s, I knew it was different. I hated the turn in, and felt the difference right away, needed greater effort. I wondered if it was just "me". But a quick search, even on this forum, shows that its a characteristic of the tire due to the profile.

Went back to Michelins and Pirelli's and never been happier.

Jus sayin.


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omnivore said:
That said, I almost always change in pairs, and I always run the same brand of tire front and rear. I just look at it as a safety net...tire engineers are probably alot smarter than I am, and designed them to work together, so I don't mess with it.
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skapan said:
There's not much between the rider and the road, why take chances. I always replace in pairs, if I can't afford it I cut back on something else, not tires.
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100% agree with both.

reciprocity said:
Guess you can prove me otherwise?

Have you been involved in blind tire tests in the past?
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Yes, they all tasted terrible! :P
 
350 degrees or 10000 rpm for 40 minutes right?
 
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can i put a sportmax rear tire on a friends bike that is running ROADSMART's

so fz6r 2009 with a roadsmart front and a sportmax rear??

safe or no?

the roadsmart is 230$ ish and the sport max is like 140$ lol!
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