Pushed on the subway track

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And no one helps. Instead photographer takes a picture and claims it was to get the drivers attention? wtf Classic bystander effect or scum?

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http://news.ca.msn.com/world/photographer-defends-actions-in-nyc-subway-death-photo


A freelance photographer at the centre of an ethical controversy after the New York Post published his photo of a man on a subway track before an oncoming train killed him defended his actions, before police announced that a man had been charged with murder.
The Post published a photo on its front page Tuesday of Ki-Suck Han, 58, with his head turned toward the train, his arms reaching up but unable to climb off the tracks in time. The photo was taken by R. Umar Abbasi, who was waiting to catch a train as the situation unfolded.
Abbasi told NBC's Today show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.
He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim did not try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

"It took me a second to figure out what was happening ... I saw the lights in the distance. My mind was to alert the train," Abbasi said.
"The people who were standing close to him ... they could have moved and grabbed him and pulled him up. No one made an effort," he added.

Ethical and emotional questions arose Tuesday over the published photograph of the helpless man standing before the oncoming train accompanied by the headline that read in part: "This man is about to die."
The moral issue among professional photojournalists in such situations is "to document or to assist," said Kenny Irby, an expert in the ethics of visual journalism at the Poynter Institute, a Florida-based nonprofit journalism school.
'Terribly disturbing'
Other media outlets chimed in on the controversy, many questioning why the photograph had been taken and published.
"I'm sorry. Somebody's on the tracks. That's not going to help," said Al Roker on NBC's Today show as the photo was displayed Tuesday.
Abbasi said he did not control how the images were used in the Post, but he did tell the Today show he has sold the images.
Larry King reached out to followers on Twitter to ask: "Did the @nypost go too far?" CNN's Soledad O'Brien tweeted: "I think it's terribly disturbing — imagine if that were your father or brother."
The Post declined to share the photo with The Associated Press for distribution.
Man charged with murder
New York City police have arrested Naeem Davis on a charge of murder on Wednesday.
Davis, 30, had been taken into custody for questioning Tuesday. Police said security video showed a man fitting the suspect's description working with street vendors near Rockefeller Center.
Police said Davis made statements implicating himself in the crime.
Davis is in custody and it's not clear if he has a lawyer.
Witnesses told investigators they saw the suspect talking to himself Monday afternoon before he approached Han at the Times Square station, got into an altercation with him and pushed him into the train's path.
Han, of Queens, died shortly after being struck. Police said he tried to climb to safety but got trapped between the train and the platform's edge.
Subway pushes are feared but fairly unusual. Among the more high-profile cases was the January 1999 death of Kendra Webdale, who was shoved to her death by a former mental patient.
After that, the Legislature passed Kendra's Law, which lets mental health authorities supervise patients who live outside institutions to make sure they are taking their medications and aren't a threat to safety.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Tuesday that he believed that "in this case, it appeared to be a psychiatric problem."
The mayor said Han, "if I understand it, tried to break up a fight or something and paid for it with his life."
With files from CBC News
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...efends-himself-no-way-could-he-have-saved-man


“The victim was so far away from me,” Abassi said. “I was already too far away to reach him when I started running. The train hit the man before I could get to him, and nobody closer tried to pull him out.”

In an interview on The Today show, he said there were other people closer to the victim who didn’t pull him to safety.

“Nobody made an effort,” Abassi said, adding that he was trying to use his flash to warn the subway driver of the trouble ahead. “There was no way (to save the man). If I could have, I would have.”


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Abassi, who was on assignment, was waiting for a train at the 49th Street subway platform on Monday around 12:30 p.m. when he heard people gasping.

The announcement had come over the loudspeaker that a train was coming and out of the corner of his eye, he saw “a body flying through the air and on the track.”

A suspect is in custody and was charged on Wednesday.

The 30-year-old homeless man has been identified as Naeem Davis, who has been charged with murder.

The photographer said he just started running.

“I had my camera up — it wasn’t even set to the right settings — and I just kept shooting and flashing, hoping the train driver would see something and be able to stop.”

Abassi said he had “no idea” what he was shooting.

“I’m not even sure it was registering with me what was happening. I was just looking at that train coming,” he said in the Post story.

“It all went so quickly; from the time I heard the shouting until the time the train hit the man was about 22 seconds.”

At the same time, he said, he was afraid of “the perp” who was running toward him. He felt he would be pushed onto the tracks too.


http://todaynews.today.com/_news/20...-i-would-have-saved-man-on-subway-tracks?lite

"I didn’t care about the photographs. If you were to see the raw photographs, you would say, I cannot see anything in them.''

Abbasi said the photographs were very dark and were lightened by the New York Post. He said his main objective in snapping the photos was using his camera's flash to alert the driver of the subway train about a man on the tracks.
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That's just ****ed up..... People just don't care, i see a accident happening on the roads i always jump out and try and help....
 
Moral depravity. Abassi is a POS. People had cell phones flashing as he was pulled up after the collision. I guess you can take man out of the Coliseum, but not the other way around.

I have no issue that it was published. It at least highlighted how far we have sunk.
 
So the guy had the time to pull the camera out or pull the phone out and turn on the camera app, focus and take a photo, but didn't have time to run out and grab the poor victim??? It takes like 2 seconds to grab a person and pull them up. There are tons of stories on other forums of people saving other people off the subway tracks.

And using his camera flash to alert the driver... Really? REALLY??? This POS did not know that camera flash will only distract and possibly blind the driver who is coming out of a dark tunnel?? This 'photographer' should be taken to court for at least something. Watching when somebody is about to die, not helping, but instead taking photos of it happening? FFS, he is an accessory to murder there.

The newspaper? Well, those jerks will publish anything to attract attention, be it positive or negative. All they will get is a fine, which is like a slap on a wrist.
 
So the guy had the time to pull the camera out or pull the phone out and turn on the camera app, focus and take a photo, but didn't have time to run out and grab the poor victim??? It takes like 2 seconds to grab a person and pull them up. There are tons of stories on other forums of people saving other people off the subway tracks.

And using his camera flash to alert the driver... Really? REALLY??? This POS did not know that camera flash will only distract and possibly blind the driver who is coming out of a dark tunnel?? This 'photographer' should be taken to court for at least something. Watching when somebody is about to die, not helping, but instead taking photos of it happening? FFS, he is an accessory to murder there.

The newspaper? Well, those jerks will publish anything to attract attention, be it positive or negative. All they will get is a fine, which is like a slap on a wrist.

Im guessing you didnt bother to read the entire story. The photog was 200 feet away when he realized what was happening. He already had his DSL camera in his hand (he is a photographer after all). He started to run towards the victim as the train was coming in. He pointed his camera at the driver and snapped away to get the flash going, hoping the driver would realize something was wrong. The perp was coming towards him so he backed against the wall so the guy wouldnt push him on the track too. By the time he got to the victim he had already been hit. Other people were far closer and did nothing. NY Post approached him for the pics, not the other way around. This is what he does for a living. He claims the pics were all bad and dark as he wasnt trying to take a pic, merely having the flash go off, NY Post enhanced them.

Do I believe him? Partially. I believe him when he says he would have helped if he could have got there in time. I believe others could have easily helped but chose not to. Im not sure about the 'not trying to take pics' part. Since he is a pro photog he is accustomed to taking pics of action. And since he is a pro, he sells what he has.

I give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
hdsomeday, one fact for you - taking photos without written permission is prohibited on the subway property. The guy is just a jerk. And like I said before - using your flash on the subway platform is a no-no because all you will do is disorient and/or blind the driver.
 
It was never stated that he was in the subway specifically to take pictures. In fact Im sure he knows the rules (see below). Using his flash was his way to warn, in a panic obviously. I seriously doubt he sat and thought about it before it happened, or during for that matter.

btw, he claims (and witness supports this) that he was NOT taking pics after, of CPR being performed on the victim. You would think that would be when he would have time to really focus and get good ones.

http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Subway_FAQ:_Photo_Permit_Information

"New York City Transit Rules of Conduct states: Section 1050.9. Restricted areas and activities. (3) Photography, filming or video recording in any facility or conveyance is permitted except that ancillary equipment such as lights, reflectors or tripods may not be used. Members of the press holding valid identification issued by the New York City Police Department are hereby authorized to use necessary ancillary equipment. All photographic activity must be conducted in accordance with the provisions of this Part. However, the same regulations allow this rule to be overridden. For instance, 21 NYCRR 1050.6 ("Use of the transit system") prohibits commercial activity (paragraph b), and nontransit use of facilities (paragraph c); where nontransit use is broadly defined as "non commercial activities that are not directly related to the use of a facility or conveyance for transportation purposes". A police officer could also determine that the act of photography violates other statutes, like 1050.9g, "no person may carry or bring to any facility any item that constitutes a hazard to operation or interferes with passenger traffic". Based on the wording of the statutes, it is possible that photography could still be a violation. As long as you're not trespassing or constituting a hazard to operation, etc. you should be fine."
 
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Some cities have floor to ceiling metal grating systems that rise up when the train comes to a halt. I'm surprised that this hasn't been retrofitted in all subway systems. This is messed up beyond imagination.
 
Don't know if I would have helped in this situation. What if in desperation the poor bloke pulled you down with him in an attempt to get out of there? On a lighter note, at least now the homeless guy who pushed him in will now have housing and 3 square meals a day. Ah sweet justice!
 
When something like this happens, a lot of false nobility appears. Only a very small percentage of people would risk their own lives to save a stranger. I'm not even sure of myself if I ever encounter a similar situation. I would like to think I would react but I just don't know for sure unless it really happened. But I am certain I won't be standing around taking photos.
 
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That's just ****ed up..... People just don't care, i see a accident happening on the roads i always jump out and try and help....

Not the same thing, you would not be in any immediate danger unless the car was on fire. Would you truly help pull out a person from a flaming wreck? You'd be a real hero if you did but no one would blame you if you didn't.
 
Remember we laughed when something like this happened in China?
Here we have something happening in a more developed world. Crap like that happens anywhere

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hdsomeday, one fact for you - taking photos without written permission is prohibited on the subway property. The guy is just a jerk. And like I said before - using your flash on the subway platform is a no-no because all you will do is disorient and/or blind the driver.

This was my first thought. I've seen this happen 3 different times in T.O. and twice out of those 3 times myself and my friends were the only people that went TOWARD the tracks. The other time was a couple of TTC special constables. Last time it happened (last year May) a guy was complaining to his buddy in Farsi (yeah, we understood) that "the splat would've been awesome". People are just completely inhuman.

Personally, if this ever happens to me I'm not banking on any help whatsoever and either making a mad dash for the tunnel, or relying on adrenaline to get me up and back on the platform.
 
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This was my first thought. I've seen this happen 3 different times in T.O. and twice out of those 3 times myself and my friends were the only people that went TOWARD the tracks. The other time was a couple of TTC special constables. Last time it happened (last year May) a guy was complaining to his buddy in Farsi (yeah, we understood) that "the splat would've been awesome". People are just completely inhuman.

wow
 

I'm paraphrasing. But they wanted the death video to sell to media. My buddy who actually speaks fluent Farsi wanted to kick the **** out of them.

Final thought: Plenty of people have the video of us pulling the guy back up since it was on a Saturday with a full platform, funny how that didn't make the news lol.
 
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I'm paraphrasing. But they wanted the death video to sell to media. My buddy who actually speaks fluent Farsi wanted to kick the **** out of them.

Final thought: Plenty of people have the video of us pulling the guy back up since it was on a Saturday with a full platform, funny how that didn't make the news lol.

people are truly scum
 
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