If a free body diagram is beyond the OP's grasp I don't think there is much hope in him understanding the principles of angular momentum and gyroscopic inertia.
push steering confusion
- Thread starter youngrider
- Start date
- Status
If a free body diagram is beyond the OP's grasp I don't think there is much hope in him understanding the principles of angular momentum and gyroscopic inertia.
silvrsurfr
Well-known member
I'm still stuggling with how we got to 6pgs of jibberish.
Watch and learn from - Twist of the Wrist 2". This explains everything in detail. I used it and appreciate it. Then go outside on your bike and practise practise practise understand whats happenig and practise some more.
If you are still unsure of whats going on, then bloody well go take a riders course. One of those Racer5 courses should be good. (Sorry cant think of their actual names but you all know what im referring to)
/end thread.
Watch and learn from - Twist of the Wrist 2". This explains everything in detail. I used it and appreciate it. Then go outside on your bike and practise practise practise understand whats happenig and practise some more.
If you are still unsure of whats going on, then bloody well go take a riders course. One of those Racer5 courses should be good. (Sorry cant think of their actual names but you all know what im referring to)
/end thread.
That isn't correct.
OP, please re-take the M2 course. You definitely need it and ask a lot of questions while you are there.
You should take this advice for your own good. Don't get discouraged but you need to learn the basics before getting back on that bike. I'm surprised you passed the course we had to counter steer as part of our final test.
You should take this advice for your own good. Don't get discouraged but you need to learn the basics before getting back on that bike. I'm surprised you passed the course we had to counter steer as part of our final test.
I think the kid got attacked because he wanted an answer to a very specific question, but I could be wrong. He got his answer anyway.
What I'm actually curious about is why nobody questioned the comments about speed and bicycles. I think push steering, or counter steering, happens WAY sooner (ie. at a lower speed) on bicycle.
Picture a child learning to ride. They ride around for while on tricycle, then they ride around with training wheels. As long as the training wheels are set level or almost level with the rear wheel, it's still at least a two-track and likely a three-track vehicle - so steering is the same -you turn in the direction you want to go.
Watch the kid when they switch to two wheels and get up some speed. You'll see some experimental "jabs" on the bars. Why? Becuase as soon as they start to move the bars, the bike goes the opposite of what they expected and they instinctively correct it. In 3 to 5 minutes, they figure out push steering.
Maybe wheel diameter has something to do with it. Remember when everyone had 10 speeds (am I showing my age here? They were shaped like road racing bikes) instead of mountain bikes? Doesn't really matter about the bike, but remember how cool it was when you could ride forever with no hands, just sitting up straight? If you wanted to turn, you did it with your hips - a quick shift in the direction you wanted to turn. What happens to the handlebars? They flick quickly in the opposite direction - the wheel points the wrong way, and forces that pivot, resulting in a lean in the direction you wanted to go.
That's why I think push-steering happens at lower speeds on a bicycle, nowhere near 30 kph. It's also an example I've used when I'm teaching push steering and someone's over thinking it. Anyone that rode a bike learned it without thinking - don't waste time thinking about it now!
What I'm actually curious about is why nobody questioned the comments about speed and bicycles. I think push steering, or counter steering, happens WAY sooner (ie. at a lower speed) on bicycle.
Picture a child learning to ride. They ride around for while on tricycle, then they ride around with training wheels. As long as the training wheels are set level or almost level with the rear wheel, it's still at least a two-track and likely a three-track vehicle - so steering is the same -you turn in the direction you want to go.
Watch the kid when they switch to two wheels and get up some speed. You'll see some experimental "jabs" on the bars. Why? Becuase as soon as they start to move the bars, the bike goes the opposite of what they expected and they instinctively correct it. In 3 to 5 minutes, they figure out push steering.
Maybe wheel diameter has something to do with it. Remember when everyone had 10 speeds (am I showing my age here? They were shaped like road racing bikes) instead of mountain bikes? Doesn't really matter about the bike, but remember how cool it was when you could ride forever with no hands, just sitting up straight? If you wanted to turn, you did it with your hips - a quick shift in the direction you wanted to turn. What happens to the handlebars? They flick quickly in the opposite direction - the wheel points the wrong way, and forces that pivot, resulting in a lean in the direction you wanted to go.
That's why I think push-steering happens at lower speeds on a bicycle, nowhere near 30 kph. It's also an example I've used when I'm teaching push steering and someone's over thinking it. Anyone that rode a bike learned it without thinking - don't waste time thinking about it now!
Push-steering or counter-steering or whatever you want to call it, happens as soon as you are rolling forward and balancing, no matter how low the speed. Doesn't matter bicycle or motorcycle, either. The only diff is the magnitude of the forces and steering angles involved.
youngrider
Banned
Asks question about youtube video -> gets counter steering professor's talking about how to ride a bike in real life... this thread can end now its more or less a joke.
I would have thought more riders in the GTA were capable of reading and writing but it seems many barely went through high school.
+1
I would have thought more riders in the GTA were capable of reading and writing but it seems many barely went through high school.
+1
Last edited:
- Status
