Pulled Over By Cop For Giving 9-Year-Old Girl A Motorcycle Ride

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This is from another forum from a guy in Southern Ontario:

So I was on my motorcycle today and was giving my 9 year old daughter a ride to her friends house.

When we get to the house, a police office pulls up at the end of the driveway and motions for me to come over to him

He asks me "How Old is your daughter", so I told him her age. He then tells me that "He does not think it is legal for her to be on the motorcycle at that age".. I replied to him, that there were no age restrictions. He ends up getting out his copy of the HTA and starts looking.. While he is looking I use my "Phone a Friend " and call my riding buddy who is a Toronto Cop.. he verifies with me that there is no age restrictions.. The only restrictions are 1. Must have foot pegs for passenger and the passenger must be able to reach them. 2. Proper helmet

I go back to the cop, and he says, "turns out there are no age restrictions" ..

Kinda funny to be pulled over for something legal.. And I dont begrudge him, he was thinking of the safety of my child
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So the myth that a child has to be 12 and over to ride as a passenger in a motorcycle is horse manure, don't believe it.
 
I did see one guy that had maybe a 4yr old on the back just holding on feet couldn't reach the pegs at an intersection on a R1.
I pulled down the middle lane and pulled up beside him and reamed him out for the safety of the child and he said "well Im going slow so who cares" I was ****** that someone would endanger the child like that, if the kid started slipping he couldn't even reach the foot pegs to adjust himself or have that much strentgh to hold on if he had to swerve.
I wish I would have got his plate but didn't think of it in the heat of the moment
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Some people likely think that stupid bill, submitted by Helena Jaczek, was passed in to law.
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When that "stupid bill" (Bill 117) was introduced, a TV reporter asked the Metro Police PR officer about the proposed law (no passengers under 14 years was the proposal) and the Metro officer, who was on a Police H-D for the film clip which went with the interview, said the law was currently 12 years of age. Of course it wasn't and isn't. A pillion saddle seat and passenger footrests must be fitted, the passenger's feet must reach the passenger footrests and the passenger has to wear an approved motorcycle safety helmet (CSA D230, DOT, BSI or Snell.)

I have found over the years that police constables are often ill-informed as to the laws regarding motorcycles. Unfortunately they, too often, have a desire not to appear ignorant of these laws and so kind of "make it up as they go along".

AFJ
 
This has come up a few times lately, wasn't the bill trying to pass a 14 yr old limit?

Kind of funny since my almost 19 year old daughter is smaller considerably shorter then my 12 1/2 year old son

great they are looking out, but they should edumicate themselves first before trying to enforce laws that do not exist
 
I remember there was talk about legislating new traffic law restricting the age of passengers about a year ago, IIRC. Sounds like that cop wasn't brushed up on the fact that it didn't go through.
 
why do people expect cops to know every word in the HTA?

do pilots know every letter in the flight manual? do mechanics know the location of every nut/bolt in a car he's working on? heck, does the prime minister remember the names of mayor in canada?
 
I think the problem is that when things like this happen, the police end up looking foolish. If you're designated as a traffic cop, then it makes sense to know the most common traffic laws.

I bloody well hope pilots go through every single one of their pre-flight checks every single time they fly. :happy3:
 
SkyRider said:
why do people expect cops to know every word in the HTA?
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I don't think they would know every detail, but should have a sound understanding. At my work I cannot do certain things unless I have specific training and expertise. Would you let a surgeon perform a procedure on you that they think they know about but are not certain of?
 
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stormcat said:
I bloody well hope pilots go through every single one of their pre-flight checks every single time they fly. :happy3:
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awhile back on the news, on international flights right after take off, pilot puts on auto pilot then he goes to sleep. lol
 
suzuki2000 said:
I don't think they would know every detail, but should have a sound understanding. At my work I cannot do certain things unless I have specific training and expertise. Would you let a surgeon perform a procesdure on you that they think they know about but are not certain of?
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apples to oranges bro. a citizen can graduate to be a cop in less than a year. to be a doc it's approx 10 years.
 
jeffjones said:
I did see one guy that had maybe a 4yr old on the back just holding on feet couldn't reach the pegs at an intersection on a R1.
I pulled down the middle lane and pulled up beside him and reamed him out for the safety of the child and he said "well Im going slow so who cares" I was ****** that someone would endanger the child like that, if the kid started slipping he couldn't even reach the foot pegs to adjust himself or have that much strentgh to hold on if he had to swerve.
I wish I would have got his plate but didn't think of it in the heat of the moment
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Nice of you to be a hero. Do you also give the same sermon to those idiot yuppie cyclists that pull their babies in little trailers in the middle of car-clogged Toronto streets, Bloor st for example, or are you just another selective hero?
 
AFJ said:
A pillion saddle seat and passenger footrests must be fitted, the passenger's feet must reach the passenger footrests and the passenger has to wear an approved motorcycle safety helmet (CSA D230, DOT, BSI or Snell.)
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hmm,,, first I heard of a "pillion seat must be fitted"....... but anyway,, is there a definition of what is a foot peg... ? I used to carry my kids when they were very young,, and they had a bad tendency to fall asleep. I was lacking money, the only vehicle I had was a bike,, so I took the frame, and wrapped it with rubber tape. The kid would sit in front of me,, and put their feet on that part of the frame, err foot peg,, and when they would fall asleep,, I could use my knees to keep them from falling off... their legs were under my knees for those that can't picture it.. so.. another local had the wife, and 2 little kids... so he rubber taped the frame in 2 spots..when he was riding..it was, the wife, kid, him,kid,tank, handle bars ,,,, back to front of course. Cops had a bit of a problem with 4 on the bike, but afaik , the law doesn't restrict the number of passengers... BUT they must have "foot pegs" and a helmet. he never got a ticket.. we were both riding something like XL600 Honda dual sports
 
Pegassus said:
Nice of you to be a hero. Do you also give the same sermon to those idiot yuppie cyclists that pull their babies in little trailers in the middle of car-clogged Toronto streets, Bloor st for example, or are you just another selective hero?
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Well I apologize for standing up for a child's safety instead of just leaving sarcastic remarks from behind a keyboard ;)
I have a motorcycle and daughter the same age so it hit home on how stupid it was.
As for the cyclists yes thats stupid too but it wouldn't have hit home as much.
And I would much rather be a Random Hero then an Internet Ego anyday :D
 
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SkyRider said:
apples to oranges bro. a citizen can graduate to be a cop in less than a year. to be a doc it's approx 10 years.
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why is this apples to oranges? regardless of the time invested in training or the vocation, if you do not have the appropriate skills expertise or training to perform a job or task,...
 
SkyRider said:
why do people expect cops to know every word in the HTA?
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Why not? Hockey referees are expected to (I am one. And for testing, to get to the higher levels, you must get 95% on your exams, with many "State Referee Decision" questions (they give situation, you write down what you do, in proper order, and in accordance to what rule), and that's for a game.

HTA can be life and death - significantly more important.
 
Bigevildoer said:
Why not? Hockey referees are expected to (I am one. And for testing, to get to the higher levels, you must get 95% on your exams, with many "State Referee Decision" questions (they give situation, you write down what you do, in proper order, and in accordance to what rule), and that's for a game.HTA can be life and death - significantly more important.
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Right, cuz the cop mistakenly thought there's an age limit. He must be a bad cop. But if u make 5% mistake on ur referee test, u get a pass. If everyone is expected to know everything in their field. You should get 100% on ur test or it's a fail.

And the HTA is just a collection of laws. It doesn't cause life or death. Violating the HTA could be.
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