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I get my eggs from a few doors down for $5/dozen.

My neighbour across the street was a cattle farmer, sold all his herd last year and has the property up for $5.5 million, advertised as 27 potential lots.

Our family property (since 1875) in Hillsburgh was a working farm, 183 acres but got sold roughly 20 years ago for about $1.3 million since my Aunts that lived there were getting too old to care for it. About 5 years ago it was sold again to a developer for over $30 million and will be getting turned into 300+ homes, school, park etc. They are keeping most of the exterior of the farmhouse intact since it's now considered a historical site, but all the inside character has been stripped.

So ya, if we keep selling farm land prices of food will go up as we'll have to ship it from farther away.

 

[nobbie48]

I live in farm country. The local grocer has a deal with a local egg farm and sells their "non standard" eggs. Commercial eggs are VERY controlled as to size and weight and most egg farms sell non standards as "egg product".
The eggs are 25-30% larger and heavier, and $3.50/doz for large, $3/doz for small (about the size of commercial medium). Price went up half way through covid.
Lots of Amish farms leave a cooler out at the road with eggs (and other stuff)... usually $7 for 2 1/2 doz... if you work out the collecting times you can get still warm eggs. Take the eggs, leave the money in the cooler

The honour system is weird when you're not used to it. I've seen it down the Niagara way as well. Here they steal the tip jars.

 

[nobbie48]

A neighbour said they were in the habit of going out once a week to a Swiss Chalet or roadhouse, family of four adults.

He kicked out the idea of only going out once a month but to a far better place. They all agreed on the better fare.

 

[nobbie48]

I guess when you're forced to the inconvenience or certain standards , you do what you must

If I was living in my car I'd do everything I could to stretch the dollars. The old rule for restaurant meal pricing was the meal cost three times the price of the actual food. Cooking is the problem in a car, tent or even hotel room.

For about $50 you can buy a propane tabletop BBQ or a butane hot plate.

During covid lockdowns we made up a bug out kit, a box with a butane hot plate, pots and utensils. We threw it in the back of the car and went to a picnic area. We could pick up groceries on the way. It got us out of the house.

Getting out of poverty isn't easy and the first step is getting a beachhead where you have some financial discretion.

Save by buying groceries instead of prepared food. Use the savings to buy a cooking device. Learn to enjoy the different flavours of foods that don't require refrigeration or cooking. Use the saving to save more by buying on sales. It's like compounding your savings. It requires thought and discipline.

If you can afford a motorcycle the above is irrelevant. I find it sad when people cry poor when they spend inordinate money at fast food outlets.

Are there a lot of people living in their cars?

I know there wold be hurdles but in addition to food banks a food prep area would help. It would be a rustic shelter with power and running water so foods could be cooked. Some counselling could be made available.

Again, I don't know how many carpartments exist. Also, are they driving dirty and the place becomes a fishing hole for the police. That's a tough call. I know things are tight but laws are laws.

 

[just-me]

Trouble with farms now, go BIG or go home. I know these farmers, they went big. Their cousins, 4 boys, only one wanted to stay farming. Couldn't do it. He now helps his wife with a catering business from the farm house. No more dairy cows.
None of the Evan's are hurting.

 

[Mad Mike]

Trouble with farms now, go BIG or go home. I know these farmers, they went big. ...

That's the way it should be.

If gov controlled the supply of shoes to preserve the family shoemaker business by allocating quota to only those shoemakers, then set the prices to include a subsidy to guarantee the shoemaker an above-average living... shoes would cost substantially more than they do now.

 

[crankcall]

A particular "egg farmer" from just outside Milton sells farm fresh eggs off his front porch , as word spread and he was selling out on a regular basis, he decided to improve the situation. He buys eggs by the full skid from a wholesaler just north of Elmira, if eggs are not refridgerated right from the chicken they will keep for weeks , he packages them in cartons all his freinds and family collect , they love the recycling idea. He gets $6 a dozen for eggs he pays $1.70 wholesale. Its a fun retirement gig , they are farm fresh eggs , not just his farm. In the summer he puts a chicken coop on a farm wagion and puts it beside the driveway , people like to see the chickens they think laid the eggs .

Like going to a farmers market and finding bar codes on your tomatos , Farmer Brown dont own no barcoder....

 

[mimico_polak]

The honour system is weird when you're not used to it. I've seen it down the Niagara way as well. Here they steal the tip jars.

This is how it works with our egg farmer in Wasaga. Plenty of times there's just an empty cooler with about $100 or so in the jar.

The only time I took money out is if I needed to break change. It's a system that works until someone ruins it for everyone.

Most egg sellers in that area just have a jar / money box with lock.

 

[crankcall]

That's the way it should be.

If gov controlled the supply of shoes to preserve the family shoemaker business by allocating quota to only those shoemakers, then set the prices to include a subsidy to guarantee the shoemaker an above-average living... shoes would cost substantially more than they do now.

We did , we had huge tariffs on imported shoes , to protect the CDN leather industry , Cougar shoes/Kodiak owned by a family friend Harry Greb, Jancar shoes in Hamilton, Burlington shoe, Florshiem in Toronto . The only real reason Acton tannery existed was shoes and heels for the canadian industry , Colliss leather in Aurora made fine leathers for topsides of shoes. We lifted the tariffs and shoes got cheaper, we also closed thousands of jobs . There is a good and bad side. maybe those jobs needed to go , I'm not sure .

 

[Mad Mike]

We did , we had huge tariffs on imported shoes , to protect the CDN leather industry , Cougar shoes/Kodiak owned by a family friend Harry Greb, Jancar shoes in Hamilton, Burlington shoe, Florshiem in Toronto . The only real reason Acton tannery existed was shoes and heels for the canadian industry , Colliss leather in Aurora made fine leathers for topsides of shoes. We lifted the tariffs and shoes got cheaper, we also closed thousands of jobs . There is a good and bad side. maybe those jobs needed to go , I'm not sure .

Protectionism, IMO, is only viable as a tool to offset unfair trading practices. In a free market economy, protectionism forces the protected further from sustainability and punishes consumers by redistributing their money to a lucky few.

Capitalism requires innovation, investments, and competition to keep the richest from accumulating all the wealth -- as soon as you protect a group, those protected get richer and the poor get poorer.

 

[mimico_polak]

Protectionism, IMO, is only viable as a tool to offset unfair trading practices. In a free market economy, protectionism forces the protected further from sustainability and punishes consumers by redistributing their money to a lucky few.

Capitalism requires innovation, investments, and competition to keep the richest from accumulating all the wealth -- as soon as you protect a group, those protected get richer and the poor get poorer.

A good recent example is the 100% tariffs on Chinese made EVs. If those things come in with subsidies by the Chinese gov't...you would effectively decimate our entire EV lineup.

Canada Gazette, Part 2, Volume 158, Number 21: China Surtax Order (2024)

October 9, 2024, Part 2, Volume 158, Number 21, Canada Gazette

www.gazette.gc.ca

OR

It would force them to compete better against a good opponent.

I'm all for additional EV options and lower car prices. Personally I think car prices have gone insane not because of any real inflationary reason, but because manufacturers and dealers have just gotten greedy.

Half of recent US inflation due to high corporate profits, report finds

Thinktank report says ‘resounding evidence’ shows companies continue to keep prices high even as their inflationary costs drop

www.theguardian.com

Take any article with a grain of salt...but prices went up during shortages. Shortages ended for the most part, but manufacturers / retailers realized that people will pay regardless so while their costs went down...their prices stayed or continued to increase.

 

[GreyGhost]

so while their costs went down...their prices stayed or continued to increase.

Manufacturers also had another problem. Anything leased at the peak had a very high residual. If they follow teslas approach of big price cuts, that entire fleet goes from big profit to huge loss.

 

[mimico_polak]

Manufacturers also had another problem. Anything leased at the peak had a very high residual. If they follow teslas approach of big price cuts, that entire fleet goes from big profit to huge loss.

I agree...so lets screw the customer and make more money.

BMW did the same thing many years ago. Their leases were stupidly cheap for what they were, because they artificially inflated their residuals. Dealers got screwed because BMW forced them to take over priced used cars and then the dealers were losing money as they couldn't make any money on their used models. Many dealers just said screw it, go to auction, and then bought for 20-30% cheaper from the auction for the same car.

 

[Mad Mike]

A good recent example is the 100% tariffs on Chinese made EVs. If those things come in with subsidies by the Chinese gov't...you would effectively decimate our entire EV lineup.

Canada Gazette, Part 2, Volume 158, Number 21: China Surtax Order (2024)

October 9, 2024, Part 2, Volume 158, Number 21, Canada Gazette

www.gazette.gc.ca

OR

It would force them to compete better against a good opponent.

I'm all for additional EV options and lower car prices. Personally I think car prices have gone insane not because of any real inflationary reason, but because manufacturers and dealers have just gotten greedy.

Half of recent US inflation due to high corporate profits, report finds

Thinktank report says ‘resounding evidence’ shows companies continue to keep prices high even as their inflationary costs drop

www.theguardian.com

Take any article with a grain of salt...but prices went up during shortages. Shortages ended for the most part, but manufacturers / retailers realized that people will pay regardless so while their costs went down...their prices stayed or continued to increase.

In the case of Chinese EV's, you're protecting against a very complicated set of unfair trade practices. Those include use of intellectual property, material, manufacturing, and shipping subsidies, and other gov't supports that reduce the selling price of a Chinese EV to below the cost of it's components.

 

[crankcall]

BMW also had that crazy "BMW certified" , where the trade ins where taken back to nearly factory correct. Make friends with your saleman , turn in your car leased and have it refurbed like new , buy it back off the lot , never just buy out your lease. It was nutty . We had a few nice cars out of that silliness

 

[bitzz]

In a free market economy,

Free market economy?
When is this gonna start?

We live in a free market economy just like Russia is a communist economy.
Our free market economy is NOT free. Tesla would not exist without government subsidy. The auto industry, on a whole, would not exist. The oil and gas industry would not exist. The monopoly of Canadian food distribution would not exist. The monopoly of telecommunications in Canada would not exist. Marketing boards aren't FREE economy. Tarrifs are not FREE economy.

Keep drinkin the koolaid
"Socialism" is government FOR the people... I don't what to call what we're doing, but it is socialism for business... that is of course if your business has enough money to buy the appropriate politician (s)
You can call what we're doing "free market economy" but you're an idiot if you think it's true.
The Russians have a saying for this: Vranyo... basically: You know it's a lie, I know it's a lie... BUT you're saying it anyway.
The west is NOT a free market economy.

 

[Scuba Steve]

In the case of Chinese EV's, you're protecting against a very complicated set of unfair trade practices. Those include use of intellectual property, material, manufacturing, and shipping subsidies, and other gov't supports that reduce the selling price of a Chinese EV to below the cost of it's components.

So tell me how this is different than shoes?

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[nobbie48]

Neighbour has chickens. First batch turned out mostly to be male. "Why does Aron's rooster crow all day long??" "Cause I got nine fricking roosters"

PETA is having a snit over the 50% male chicks being made into ??? They used to be snipped and raised as capons.

 

[nobbie48]

Free market economy?
When is this gonna start?

We live in a free market economy just like Russia is a communist economy.
Our free market economy is NOT free. Tesla would not exist without government subsidy. The auto industry, on a whole, would not exist. The oil and gas industry would not exist. The monopoly of Canadian food distribution would not exist. The monopoly of telecommunications in Canada would not exist. Marketing boards aren't FREE economy. Tarrifs are not FREE economy.

Keep drinkin the koolaid
"Socialism" is government FOR the people... I don't what to call what we're doing, but it is socialism for business... that is of course if your business has enough money to buy the appropriate politician (s)
You can call what we're doing "free market economy" but you're an idiot if you think it's true.
The Russians have a saying for this: Vranyo... basically: You know it's a lie, I know it's a lie... BUT you're saying it anyway.
The west is NOT a free market economy.

The economy will collapse if corporations don't make profits. Unfortunately investors have gotten used to the big returns. There is no question about them fighting any attempt to roll back the markups, especially when a lot of politicians are in the game remotely.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

A particular "egg farmer" from just outside Milton sells farm fresh eggs off his front porch , as word spread and he was selling out on a regular basis, he decided to improve the situation. He buys eggs by the full skid from a wholesaler just north of Elmira, if eggs are not refridgerated right from the chicken they will keep for weeks , he packages them in cartons all his freinds and family collect , they love the recycling idea. He gets $6 a dozen for eggs he pays $1.70 wholesale. Its a fun retirement gig , they are farm fresh eggs , not just his farm. In the summer he puts a chicken coop on a farm wagion and puts it beside the driveway , people like to see the chickens they think laid the eggs .

Like going to a farmers market and finding bar codes on your tomatos , Farmer Brown dont own no barcoder....

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