Police using cell phone tracking?

[toysareforboys]

They need a reason to be investigating you in this manner...I don't believe they can call up Rogers.

I will try and get my cop friend to let me know what service they use or exactly how it works. He told me how they were able to get the phone number of any phone that stopped moving or stopped transmitting in the vicinity of the parked cop car. They can get the owners information without a warrant. If a fatality or injury is involved they send a warrant request for the recent text messages and call logs, and the speed at which the phone was traveling during those calls/texts. It's all recorded by your carrier, not the phone. Blew my mind when he told me this!

-Jamie M.

 

[D23]

but what do I know!

Obviously not much since you started this thread asking...

GPS signal is different than Cell signal but in saying that both are free to intercept by anyone who has the gear.

Show me something that says you own any signal you broadcast.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Show me something that says you own any signal you broadcast.

Tell that to Bell going after people who receive BEV sat signal without paying a red cent to them

 

[slowbird]

They have to call the provider and give the reason (missing person, looking for someone who is threatening suicide etc) they can get pretty close. (varies I guess with the time of day, location etc...) I have heard the phone company turn them down also.

^^ The above information is correct.

 

[D23]

Tell that to Bell going after people who receive BEV sat signal without paying a red cent to them

Ha, good counter but a scanner is legal, a bootleg sat receiver (or the card with the code on it) is not. Thats a case of decrypting something without permission.

Unfortunately the CRTC claims one thing then sells another... which is totally contradictory to their claim that 'everyone owns the airwaves' but they get around it by calling it allocation.

Still doesn't give you the right to what you broadcast as a civilian end user of a cell phone.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Ha, good counter but a scanner is legal, a bootleg sat receiver (or the card with the code on it) is not. Thats a case of decrypting something without permission.

Unfortunately the CRTC claims one thing then sells another... which is totally contradictory to their claim that 'everyone owns the airwaves' but they get around it by calling it allocation.

Still doesn't give you the right to what you broadcast as a civilian end user of a cell phone.

From the legal standpoint you are correct, but morally, I don't see a difference. We are given some mixed signals by our beloved establishment

 

[D23]

Same feelings here. With the exception of a few DVD's I haven't paid for media since 1999

But, I'm not defending CRTC and it's regs. Just stating a simple fact that seems to be less and less obvious every day to those that cry so hard about their self perceived importance.

You can't do anything about people jacking your emissions (which was the original question) since you only own the device. That includes the position you broadcast if you choose to turn on your GPS signal. Unless you run some high end stuff like the aforementioned devices from General dynamics or L3 you are broadcasting to the world and it doesn't matter how big your jar of tears gets.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

That I can agree with you.. But let's shift this discussion a bit..
1) Should the law require for mobile operators to give up your data to the police without a proper warrant?
2) Would you take the fact that one operator routinely gives your personal data to the police and the other one requires a warrant into consideration when choosing mobile operators?

 

[D23]

1. Honestly, I think if the police want to track you they should do it themselves but it doesn't really matter what I think. If they can do it it's because it is legal to do so. Otherwise they wouldn't get a conviction I suppose. "Should" is really a case by case consideration.

They should not be able to access your info unless you are a suspect in something. They should not be able to use that information against you unless you are guilty of a crime.

2. I don't care if they do give it to the police or not. If I am doing something illegal then that is something I should consider covering up I guess. If I'm not then I really don't have anything to worry about. That's just my personal opinion though. Others may not share that and in that case it's Caveat Emptor.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

From a practical standpoint I couldn't care less if they had that sort of info on me. I toe the line. However, what's legal now can easily become illegal tomorrow. There has been a major trend of overcriminalization recently, so you never know. And where will they draw the line? Cameras inside your house? Surveillance society is a slippery slope. Give an inch.. I don't want us to end up like the UK.

 

[kneedragger88]

I have a 15yr old that likes to take off. The cops have told me to make sure he has his phone so they can track him. They have done just that a couple times but now the little s4it shuts it off. Anyway they can absolutely do it and do I know this 100% for certain.

 

[LiNK666]

I have a 15yr old that likes to take off. The cops have told me to make sure he has his phone so they can track him. They have done just that a couple times but now the little s4it shuts it off. Anyway they can absolutely do it and do I know this 100% for certain.

I heard in states they can track it even if it's off as long as the battery has some charge in it, they should be able to track it.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

I heard in states they can track it even if it's off as long as the battery has some charge in it, they should be able to track it.

Word to the wise: If you don't wanna be tracked, take out your battery

 

[TwistedKestrel]

I heard in states they can track it even if it's off as long as the battery has some charge in it, they should be able to track it.

They can do more than that, look up "roving bug." Though I imagine they don't do that to just anybody.

Ha, good counter but a scanner is legal, a bootleg sat receiver (or the card with the code on it) is not. Thats a case of decrypting something without permission.

Unfortunately the CRTC claims one thing then sells another... which is totally contradictory to their claim that 'everyone owns the airwaves' but they get around it by calling it allocation.

Still doesn't give you the right to what you broadcast as a civilian end user of a cell phone.

Well, GSM uses a form of encryption in order to stop the average citizen from eavesdropping - wouldn't that put both satellite TV and cell phone calls in the same boat?

 

[coyo]

Well, GSM uses a form of encryption in order to stop the average citizen from eavesdropping - wouldn't that put both satellite TV and cell phone calls in the same boat?

IF you were using gear that could decrypt the audio and then listen in you would likely find yourself in the same situation as jacking satellite TV signals. But the question here relates to determining the source location of the signal, not decrypting it; an entirely different ball of wax.

 

[nakkers]

I watch TV, everyone knows you use a disposable pre-paid cell to do your illegal business yo!

 

[joeboo]

I watch TV, everyone knows you use a disposable pre-paid cell to do your illegal business yo!

Would have kept tiger woods out of the news.