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Police Officer Blatantly Lies In Court Against Me Today

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Hi guys, today was another great victory, the 3rd ticket I have fought successfully in great part thanks to a paralegal ticket fighter that's top-notch whom I have hired for all 3 tickets. This ticket was "Fail To Have Child Secured", "No Belt Seat Assembly" for $250 dollars and 3 points, also it would had been added to my insurance record and pay more money monthly for the next 3 years.

Here's the rundown what happened on January 2012:


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-Went to pick up my son from a soccer game along with 3 other kids and their moms.

-I told everybody to put their seat belts on and one of the single moms helped me buckle everybody up.

-Was going north on Jane St. (Toronto) when I noticed a police cruiser trailing behind me. He followed me for 5 blocks and put its cherries on, pulls me over.

-One cop walks up to my window and asked me for my documents and asked if all the kids were secured, I said "Yes sir they are". The other cop stays behind the minivan.

-Cop told me that 1 kid had been standing up in the back seat so that's why they stopped me, I said "No way, I secured them all" and the cop says he was going to take a look inside, sure enough one kid is not secured and turns out that he had undone the seatbelt himself while his mother sitting beside him did not noticed (or didn't care).

-Cop tells me that there's not even a seatbelt assembly, that the buckle is missing, I again said "No way" that I always carry kids in my minivan and I secure them myself, only a few hours before I had secured my nephews. The cop is adamant and gives me the ticket anyways.

-I drive 3 blocks to a Petro-Canada station and get out of the car and search and sure enough I found the seatbelt buckle under the seat, the kid had not only taken his seatbelt off but also took the buckle out of the harness. I was ****** off at him and his mother. I buy a Toronto Sun newspaper on that day and take pics of the seatbelt buckle under the seat along with the newspaper, it had a headline on that day that read; "Father Knows Best" and a picture of Dalton McGuinty carrying 2 cases of a beer.

Forward to today and it was court date, a cop was there with the notes taken that day which didn't said much, just that he stopped me because a kid was visible standing inside the minivan. here's the thing, that cop was NOT the cop that gave me the ticket or dealt with me (it might had been the partner that was always on the sidelines that day). Here's the shocker; while at the trial the cop swore on the bible and claimed he was driving "solo" (alone) when he saw me, "I was patrolling alone that particular day in january". Bullcrap! There were two cops that day and he is not the one that was driving nor the one that dealt with me, he just stood about 15-ft behind my van and never searched it or even talked to me. At the trial he claimed he searched my minivan and never found the seatbelt buckle under my seat.

I told the judge, "He's not the one that stopped me, nor searched my car, nor the one that gave me the ticket, sir!!"

The judge said; "Well don't worry about that just tell me your side of the story, that's what counts here." WTF?? Really?! Just brush it off like that?

Anyways I told my side of the story to the judge and told him I had pictures from my cellphone just 10 minutes after the cop left that he seatbuckle was under the seat and that the kid in question had unfastened himself while on the road, that my responsiblity ended when I made sure he had it on, I could not be watching my passengers every 5 minutes while I'm on the road.

Finally the judge says; "Okay that's enough I heard enough evidence. I believe the police officer in everything he says, and believe in his integrity, but I also heard your story and how you had numerous kids in the car and the only one unbuckled was the one with the missing easier-to-remove buckle lock, in the sake of justice I just simply cannot proceed with this trial, case dismissed"

Yeeeehaaaawwwww !!!!!!


Here's the link for a previous 2nd ticket victory; http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...t-Your-Tickets!!-Another-Victory-For-Me-Today!!!


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Nice job and also good to know. Is that legally true about the driver only being responsible for everyone wearing their seatbelts at departure?
 
Dude, is this a new ticket for no seatbelt? Or is this the same ticket than before?

By that I mean, Didn't you post before a story about a baby crying in your van and he didn't have his seatbelt, and the police stopped you, and etc. etc. etc. ?

How many of these tickets are you going to get????????
 
Dude, is this a new ticket for no seatbelt? Or is this the same ticket than before?

By that I mean, Didn't you post before a story about a baby crying in your van and he didn't have his seatbelt, and the police stopped you, and etc. etc. etc. ?

How many of these tickets are you going to get????????

Its a different one.
 
Did your super duper, crime fighting paralegal not ask for disclosure prior to trial?
If he had he should have received a copy of the officer’s notes plus his name a badgenumber. Then today all you would have had to do was ask the officer, after histestimony, to identify himself. Easy peasy, the JP would have fallen all overthe place to stop the proceedings. Last thing any of them want is for an officer to be caught in a lie.


I beat a bogus 20 over speeding ticket by embarrassing the officer and the crown attorney in a similar, two cops only one shows up, situation.
 
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Dude, is this a new ticket for no seatbelt? Or is this the same ticket than before?

By that I mean, Didn't you post before a story about a baby crying in your van and he didn't have his seatbelt, and the police stopped you, and etc. etc. etc. ?

How many of these tickets are you going to get????????

Nope it's another one, I will try to find the links for the other 2 tickets, this one actually came to trial and the cop showed up, this was the biggest victory of all because the judge believed me and not him.

The judge said that I did my due diligence by putting the seatbelts on everybody at the beginning and that the only reason he believed my story was because the cop himself noted that all other kids were buckled, including very young ones and that there was no reason not to believe I had not buckled him up in the process.

Here's the thread of my 2nd ticket victory:

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...t-Your-Tickets!!-Another-Victory-For-Me-Today!!!


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Dude, is this a new ticket for no seatbelt? Or is this the same ticket than before?

By that I mean, Didn't you post before a story about a baby crying in your van and he didn't have his seatbelt, and the police stopped you, and etc. etc. etc. ?

How many of these tickets are you going to get????????

If he keeps driving his children filled minivan in a way that catches the attention of police, then plenty more would be my guess. Maybe tinted windows would help?
 
My minivan does have tinted windows but not that dark, I now refuse to take unruly kids to soccer games, I just take 2 who behave well, I used this ticket blitz I got last year as an excuse not to carry them around.
 
Cops lie, nothing new. I have seen it happen many times, even when the ruling was not against me. I was stunned how blatantly they lie. Sometimes they have a "gut feeling" and know their truthful statements will lose the case so they lie. The real dilemma is when they lie FOR YOU! What do you do then??!?!!!?!?!

So much is about the cop's intention rather than facts, and for that reason I have lost a lot of faith in the police. Get a good one and all is well, get a bad one and get ready to have your word questioned while theirs is upheld. At least you learned a little about how the game is played.

Congrats on the victory.
 
This cop fell due to his own mouth, when asked questions by my ticket fighter agent he stuttered a lot and sadi several times "Honestly I cannot recollect exactly if I looked under the sea or not". But why would this guy lie that he was the one that stopped me and the one that searched my car? Why did he lied that he was alone on that day? The only reason I can think of is that the other guy could not make it to court and told his partner to go for him and just lie that he was alone that day so the judge wouldn't inquire about him or his whereabouts.
 
This cop fell due to his own mouth, when asked questions by my ticket fighter agent he stuttered a lot and sadi several times "Honestly I cannot recollect exactly if I looked under the sea or not". But why would this guy lie that he was the one that stopped me and the one that searched my car? Why did he lied that he was alone on that day? The only reason I can think of is that the other guy could not make it to court and told his partner to go for him and just lie that he was alone that day so the judge wouldn't inquire about him or his whereabouts.

Could have been a trainee situation and he was the training officer.
 
Got a deshcam just for these reasons. Just have to tell them that they are being recorded.
 
Got something to back that up?

Yes. Here in Canada when a conversation is being recorded at least ONE party has to know about the recording and that party can be YOU since you are the person engaging in that conversation. In the U.S. the law states that the TWO parties have to be aware. Bless Canada.
 
Yes. Here in Canada when a conversation is being recorded at least ONE party has to know about the recording and that party can be YOU since you are the person engaging in that conversation. In the U.S. the law states that the TWO parties have to be aware. Bless Canada.

That varies, State to State. In Canada there are also other privacy laws that can affect recording.
 
Yes. Here in Canada when a conversation is being recorded at least ONE party has to know about the recording and that party can be YOU since you are the person engaging in that conversation. In the U.S. the law states that the TWO parties have to be aware. Bless Canada.

Hmm interesting. I wonder if this is way different than just audio recording (aka on your phone). Cause when I did record a cop on my phone (just voice recording), tried playing to my lawyer.
His first question was: "Did you let the cop know that you're audio recording him?"
Me: "No"
Lawyer: "Then you can forget about this "evidence" ".
 
So, was there a kid standing in the backseat or not? Also if i read this correctly, this isn't the first time this has happened, is this true?
 
Hmm interesting. I wonder if this is way different than just audio recording (aka on your phone). Cause when I did record a cop on my phone (just voice recording), tried playing to my lawyer.
His first question was: "Did you let the cop know that you're audio recording him?"
Me: "No"
Lawyer: "Then you can forget about this "evidence" ".

Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing why your lawyer said that. The Criminal Code is quite clear, only one party, i.e. the recorder, needs to know the conversation is being recorded. You "evidence" should have been admissable, unless your lawyer is either an idiot or you were in the Excited States.
 
Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing why your lawyer said that. The Criminal Code is quite clear, only one party, i.e. the recorder, needs to know the conversation is being recorded. You "evidence" should have been admissable, unless your lawyer is either an idiot or you were in the Excited States.

I am also curious in the source and rationale. As I am unaware of any prohibition.
 
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