Police Look To Identify Group Of Stunt Driving Motorcyclists

[Brian P]

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[h=4]Examination of vehicle[/h] (2) Every police officer and every officer appointed for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act may require the driver of any motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle to stop, move the vehicle to a safe location as directed by the police officer or officer and submit the vehicle, together with its equipment and any vehicle drawn by it, to the examinations and tests that the police officer or officer may consider expedient. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
Note: On a day to be named by proclamation of the Lieutenant Governor, subsection 82 (2) of the Act is amended by striking out “any motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle” and substituting “any vehicle, other than a bicycle”. (See: 2016, c. 5, Sched. 12, s. 5 (1))

 

[Neil_V]

Yes it applies to all vehicles; does that make it an appropriate tool?


I heard a story, many years ago, of the local ricers and the like being encouraged by local officers handing out flyers, to take their shenanigans to TMP, then just called the cayuga dragway iirc. Story goes, more than a few were handed numerous citations/plates pulled for emissions and safety defects at the track, as they being street racers, obviously had modified their street cars. Story ended with a "**** that, I'm never going there again'... Of course this was just a story and I can't/won't say it's factual for certain; but if there's any truth, it's a good illustration of the potential ineffectiveness of an overly heavy handed approach

 

[-D-]

Sure. My name's Tim.
Didn't mention anyone else's name whatsoever. And it wasn't my ride.

Hey, it's simply the truth. Stunters on the highway = gong show. Plain and simple.
Everyone that I ride with knows he's a stunter and chooses to ride with or without him accordingly.
As you noted, some people need to be called out on it SOMETIMES, and in the case I mentioned, a stunt ride he organized ended up with charges and fines up the yin-yang, thousands of people stuck in traffic and general bad feelings towards motorcyclists.

Not discrediting him at all for ability - he's got some pretty fine stunting skills from the last time I saw him ride - give him all the credit in the world for that. I just completely disagree with the whole stunting on the highway aspect, no matter who they are.

That's you pretty much stating you know who the stunter is/are and the people you associate with know them and further it appears that some went on this "gong show" ride.

This thread sounds like the safer sex campaigns...just say not to sex 'kids (15-19 year olds)'.
The more attention they get then the more they are likely to do it.
That's probably why the cops don't want to play their game either...they don't need videos of caps chasing bikes being flipped off etc...The cops are smart enough to handle it quietly.

Tim, do you want to tell us that you have not gone past 120km/h on your super sport on the 401 or other highways (507 included)??

 

[48Connor]

Tim, do you want to tell us that you have not gone past 120km/h on your super sport on the 401 or other highways (507 included)??

No one on GTAMotorcycles has ever gone above the posted speed limit.

 

[-D-]

Sure. My name's Tim.
Didn't mention anyone else's name whatsoever. And it wasn't my ride.

No one on GTAMotorcycles has ever gone above the posted speed limit.

I am not asking no one. I am asking Tim.

 

[Iceman]

The Inquisition.

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[-D-]

The Inquisition.

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Waterboard them damn it! I mean surfboard them.

 

[raginduck]

No, I was referring to the actual section 82 subsection 2 of the highway traffic act, not a quote off of what appears to be a commercial vehicle oriented website of some sort.

You will find the actual wording in the highway traffic act directly to be far more clear that it applies to all vehicles, not specifically commercial vehicles only.

https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08#BK146

This is where I found it.

 

[PrivatePilot]

https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08#BK146

This is where I found it.

Not sure what's with the commercial specific wording on that one....but Brian posted the actual statute above.

 

[BigEvilDoer]

That's you pretty much stating you know who the stunter is/are and the people you associate with know them and further it appears that some went on this "gong show" ride....
Snip...

Tim, do you want to tell us that you have not gone past 120km/h on your super sport on the 401 or other highways (507 included)??

That's a nice leap of logic there D.
I said that people I know ride with or do not ride with Nikiter accordingly. In a further post, I also clearly state that I do not know anyone who went on the ride that day aside from him.

Question - what would you call a ride that ends up with a crash, a whack of police charges and backed up traffic for miles other than a "gong show"? Enlighten me please.

Never once mentioned the speeds I ride at on the 401 or anything about the way I ride, except that I have fun off heavily travelled roads and highways. Typically, when on highways, I go with the flow and don't go "full retard" due to potential consequences. I like my clean record.

This thread used to be amusing...

 

[Brian P]

Reality is not black or white, but rather, shades of grey.

There's "legal" versus "illegal" and there is "safe" versus "unsafe", they don't necessarily coincide at all times and they are BOTH grey scales.

If something is both "illegal" and "unsafe" then it's a fairly good idea to not do it. And in my non-cop view, the "safe" versus "unsafe" scale takes priority over the "legal" versus "illegal" scale. If something results in a ticket, so be it. If something results in someone getting killed ... that's quite another matter.

Doing stunts in traffic qualifies as both "illegal" and "unsafe".

Driving at 120 km/h on the 401 with the flow of traffic ... happens every day of the week. "Illegal"? Sure. "Unsafe"? There have been members of this board who have argued that it is, but I'm not one of them - unless its snowy or icy or foggy or some such external factor.

Now, knock off with the attempts at character assassination. And that applies to EVERYone. KNOCK IT OFF. This is your official public warning.

 

[-D-]

That's a nice leap of logic there D.
I said that people I know ride with or do not ride with Nikiter accordingly. In a further post, I also clearly state that I do not know anyone who went on the ride that day aside from him.

Question - what would you call a ride that ends up with a crash, a whack of police charges and backed up traffic for miles other than a "gong show"? Enlighten me please.

Never once mentioned the speeds I ride at on the 401 or anything about the way I ride, except that I have fun off heavily travelled roads and highways. Typically, when on highways, I go with the flow and don't go "full retard" due to potential consequences. I like my clean record.

This thread used to be amusing...

Seriously, keep up.
Follow the bold and underline part.
If cops are looking for leads...ta da... they would start with you to point them to those people you know that ride with the 'stunters'.
Get the logic now.

Thread is still amusing.

Did you or anyone call 911 or the OPP when you noticed things getting out of control to PREVENT the outcome?
What actions did you take to prevent it?

*It may seem like I am picking on you dude but I am not, just replying to text on a wall that you happen to post.

 

[BigEvilDoer]

...
On second thought...
Not worth it.

 

[Roadghost]

82.2 is not written specific to commercial vehicles, it's a universal law for all vehicles on the road and is equally as legitimate when used for a motorcycle or passenger vehicle as it is when used for a commercial truck. Of course a lot of people may not like it because they feel they shouldn't be held to the same safety standards, right?

I don't see a specific section in 82 that allows for impounding a private vehicle. I do see a section in 82 allowing an officer to remove the plate, in which case the vehicle will have to be towed. There is a section allowing for impoundment if the driver is street racing or stunt driving, but it is elsewhere in the Act.

As for flying wheels, the industry has that issue cleaned up - funny you mention it, as the last 6 or 8 vehicles I've seen sitting on the shoulder of the road missing a tire have been passenger vehicles, and one travel trailer.

Agreed. Fewer truck wheels busting loose these days, but there are still the occasional ones. Missing wheels on cars usually happen when snow tire time comes/goes.

Anyhow, I guess I shouldn't find it surprising that on a motorcycle centric forum there are plenty who wish to defend people who drive motorcycles like idiots, particularly when there's a lot of (probably not unfounded) suspicion that some of the very offenders we are talking about are on the same forum, perhaps even participating in this very thread.

But, like it or not, regardless of any and all arguments, these people are screwing ALL of us. Public perception, Law enforcement attention, and insurance company attention - three big things that are going in the wrong direction with this one, all of which have the potential to make life difficult for each and every one of us regardless of what we ride, how we ride, and where we ride.

How anyone can defend these people, accordingly, is beyond me.

I don't think anyone's defending stunting on busy highways. We're just not willing to give up all our freedoms to get them arrested. Stunters are quite rare in the grand scheme of things. Their thrill seeking is a passing phase in their mental development IMO. We can get the cops to hunt every one of them down, but there will always be more to replace them. If the police can get them as it happens great, but big investigations, dragnets, and province-wide crackdowns on all bikers? It's just a big waste of time for a few clowns who are going to end up in the hospital anyway. They aren't worth the money and the effort.

 

[-D-]

...
On second thought...
Not worth it.

How weak/lame...You got trapped by your own writing and this is what you reply with.:lmao:

 

[yodude]

Originally Posted by Neil_V
Realistically, I don't believe they should be able to impede your travels without probable cause; ie your rust bucket needs obvious work.. that's reasonable.

believe what you like, the reality is that anyone can be pulled over at any time, reasonable or not

 

[yodude]

Really?! The two of you start crying fowl the second someone suggest the few bad truckers are more or less representative of all of you. Don't get me wrong, I understand why; not fair is it.

fantasies are common from assumptions & conclusions

 

[hedo2002]

No if you took the totality of what i posted and not just a certain little portion, then tried to "spin it", you would see what I said.

I said a "white male wearing a black jacket" I also then went on the ask if it would not be prudent to stop to chat to any white male wearing a black jacket in the same area. But seeing that you want to make it "appear" that I was skating the race issue It could be reversed, to say a "black male wearing a white jacket". In my original post feel free where I stated it would be okay to stop EVERY white male?? I didn't. Just as I wouldn't say it would be okay to stop as you suggested I did "stop every black male" I added the article of clothing so as to show it was being narrowed to a SPECIFIC gender, race AND article of clothing, not just a blanket fishing expedition. Not in this post or in ANY post I have ever made on GTAM have I supported carding, racial profiling, or any wide spread fishing expeditions, feel free to scour all my posts to prove otherwise. Until then I would recommend you actually READ WHAT IS written rather than attempt to interject your silly assumptions.

So feel free to come back when you represent the facts as I presented them rather than "trying to spin it" to fit YOUR agenda.

I noticed that you said "white male" not black. Is it also appropriate to be stopping, questioning and requiring ID for every black male you see if there was a robbery in the area perpetrated by a black man a few days ago? I believe that's called carding.

We agree that randomly stopping any SS a cop sees is more about a fishing expedition and to be "seen to be doing something", and isn't right.

I haven't seen anyone here defending the stunters for doing what they were doing where and when they were doing it. And no one is saying the police shouldn't review videos, speak to witnesses etc to try to track down these guys. What some, including myself, are reacting to, is the wide open position that some here are taking saying that the police should do what ever it takes to get these guys, regardless of whether it is an abuse of the law or peoples rights and freedoms. We also can't excuse insurance companies and only blame the riders if the companies take advantage of the publicity to raise rates or deny coverage for SS bikes even though there have been very little actual costs associated with these incidents (I'm thinking the 2 fires). 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Btw, I'm over 50, ride a sport touring bike with the OEM rear tail assembly, and was in another province at the time these incidents occurred.

 

[hedo2002]

Can you state categorically that the TPS is NOT dealing with the murder case at the same time?? Do you really believe they have 1 detective that handles EVERYTHING??? A traffic officer, FYI does NOT investigate shootings, stabbings, murders, thefts, Just as a homicide Detective won't pull you over for speeding or running a stop sign., etc etc etc,

The young man's step mom has been on SEVERAL news outlets and I have yet to see her state once that the police are not giving the boys case ALL the attention it requires, in fact one interview she thanked the police for their efforts.. Perhaps if the TPS searching for these idiots on bikes and NOT investigating more serious matters is of such a grave concern for you, you can file your complaints with the Police Services Board, the Civilian Commission On Police, the Attorney Gerneral.

Just as I am sure you don't do EVERY job at your work place, (unless of course your self employed), but I can assure you TPS has more than 1 officer....lol

Dude, it's not a defense.
I am stating the facts to date.
The police have life and death matters to deal with that are more important e.g. pizza pizza shooting 2 days ago (17 year old dead?)

 

[hedo2002]

Actually your the one that needs to "keep up" He CLEARLY stated he NEVER went on the ride. So why would he call 911 on an incident that potentially occurred a couple of hundred km's from his location?? How do you recommend he "PREVENT the outcome" again on a ride he NEVER attended he DECLINED his invitation, (that means he NEVER WENT)..lmao So feel free to "TRY TO KEEP UP"...lol

One would think that if this was such a HUGE issue Nikter would/could be here defending himself, yet YOU seem to be the only one butt hurt by his post?

Seriously, keep up.
Follow the bold and underline part.
If cops are looking for leads...ta da... they would start with you to point them to those people you know that ride with the 'stunters'.
Get the logic now.

Thread is still amusing.

Did you or anyone call 911 or the OPP when you noticed things getting out of control to PREVENT the outcome?
What actions did you take to prevent it?

*It may seem like I am picking on you dude but I am not, just replying to text on a wall that you happen to post.

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