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Policaro Harley-Davidson. Great Dealership

You know Yamaha doesn't make the Star line any more, tis gone.

The first problem with making US exported products price competitive in the world markets is the US exchange rate, they would have to practically half their domestic US$ sale prices and that would bring the product prices into line elsewhere.
and start building motorcycles designed for this century.

If Harley was really smart they would start building motorcycles in 31% cheaper Canada.

ooo Made in Canada :ROFLMAO: wouldn't that just send the average HoG rider over the edge.
 
GreyGhost said:
Sounds reasonable but I hope they don't do it. HD has a history of killing merged brands as their whole culture is setup to support one brand only while crapping on everything else. If they did it, they would probably immediately deep six husky which would be sad. KTM would then die a slow and painful death.
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I think the HD failed in past acquisitions and partnerships because they were with failing niche or upside down companies that were largely left alone to continue failing ways. Both Buell and MV Agusta had interesting products but no leadership or management - HD left them to carry on as is and that's what they did, and their tailspins continued.

KTM is different, they are a going concern that has good management, production, and product mix AND can run as is without a lot of management load on HD. Their range of products that is broad (not niche) and complimentary, not competitive to HD. Add to that KTM's largest weakness -- dealers. HD has the dealer network in the USA, KTM overseas - again 100% complimentary as these networks are expensive and slow to build.

And their colors are similar... Could look like this:

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PrivatePilot said:
It’s an extremely large risk with that approach however – that somebody buys another brands model which is drastically more affordable and realizes after riding it for a year or two that it’s actually an awesome bike at an affordable price, has proven reliable, and is probably paid for already. Who knows, they may have a soft spot for the brand at that point, too.

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Precisely my point. Brand loyalty is important, the earlier you start the better. I think HD knows this, StaCyc Harley-Davidson Acquires StaCyc, Inc., Maker of Electric-Powered Two-Wheelers For Kids, . Some day these kids will grow up -- problem is Harley's current strategy puts 50 years between a Stacycle and a HOG. That needs to be shortened, they need a path to their next bike, and a continuum from there.
 
Mad Mike said:
Precisely my point. Brand loyalty is important, the earlier you start the better. I think HD knows this, StaCyc Harley-Davidson Acquires StaCyc, Inc., Maker of Electric-Powered Two-Wheelers For Kids, . Some day these kids will grow up -- problem is Harley's current strategy puts 50 years between a Stacycle and a HOG. That needs to be shortened, they need a path to their next bike, and a continuum from there.
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I understand your point but I'm not sure if it always applies. If you buy a street, are you getting the harley experience or just the badge? If they buy their cheap bikes from someone else, there is a good chance they write off any niggles as "it's because it's not a harley". Once they have the money they buy their dream bike (at which point they probably appreciate their Asian bike but that's an argument for another day, moco already has their money at that point.).
 
Mad Mike said:
Precisely my point. Brand loyalty is important, the earlier you start the better. I think HD knows this, StaCyc Harley-Davidson Acquires StaCyc, Inc., Maker of Electric-Powered Two-Wheelers For Kids, . Some day these kids will grow up -- problem is Harley's current strategy puts 50 years between a Stacycle and a HOG. That needs to be shortened, they need a path to their next bike, and a continuum from there.
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Stacy is a strange one they make ktm branded ones harley branded ones and stacyc branded ones. Seems strange the Harley ones are only available at a Harley dealer.

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Just got the letter Policaro is shutting down (or selling off) the HD dealership to focus primarily on their automotive sales.
 
Jampy00 said:
Just got the letter Policaro is shutting down (or selling off) the HD dealership to focus primarily on their automotive sales.
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I guess the $30 million porche dealer did payoff so well. Also hearing rumours HD will go to factory dealer ships only trying to control prices.
 
"factory dealer ships only" how is that different then what they do now?
 
GVH said:
Something about to many much price variances people dealers bitching to HD
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They are very proud of having the largest motorcycle dealer network in the world, it could be costly to mess with that.
At one time ~30% of their corporate income was not even from motorcycles, it was from branding & I doubt that has changed significantly.
 
Gonna be a lot of grumpy people is a place lie Mackies HD gets closed, it’s not corporate. And if they try to make it corporate, well, I doubt the Mackies will sell out cheap as that place appears to be a license to print money.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Gonna be a lot of grumpy people is a place lie Mackies HD gets closed, it’s not corporate. And if they try to make it corporate, well, I doubt the Mackies will sell out cheap as that place appears to be a license to print money.
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I can't imagine corporate will be buying out dealerships at fair market value. It would be much more likely that they will extort them into signing it over. Find some legal foothold in the agreement and tell Mackie they can either take what is offered or have the agreement terminated with no transfer of money.
 
They don't want to staff and run the dealerships, they want that income from having other people secure the credit from them
and front the investment costs of operating a store front operation to their specifications so they look huge.
 
GreyGhost said:
I can't imagine corporate will be buying out dealerships at fair market value. It would be much more likely that they will extort them into signing it over. Find some legal foothold in the agreement and tell Mackie they can either take what is offered or have the agreement terminated with no transfer of money.
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Dirty tricks if that’s the case. Even the best gag order in the world is unlikely to keep a cap on word getting out of that sort of deal.

Probably wouldn’t reflect well on Harley, which leads me to believe negotiation would be much more friendly-like.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Dirty tricks if that’s the case. Even the best gag order in the world is unlikely to keep a cap on word getting out of that sort of deal.

Probably wouldn’t reflect well on Harley, which leads me to believe negotiation would be much more friendly-like.
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see how quick rumours start
 
Trials said:
They don't want to staff and run the dealerships, they want that income from having other people secure the credit from them
and front the investment costs of operating a store front operation to their specifications so they look huge.
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The hybrid dealership model kicks in when the tail wags the dog. This can happen with big market dealers, the dealer has a protected territory, develops their own clientele, then begins to waiver from their dealership agreements. HD has had this problem for years particularly in the areas of product mix and pricing. When uniformity in the network interferes with the customer experience -- there is a problem.

It's happened with other dealer based networks -- probably the biggest in the game is Canadian Tire. Mother Company (MoCo) doesn't want to operate stores, so what they do is create PCs (profit centers), where the store manager acts like an owner, but gets financially backstopped and administratively supported by MoCo -- MoCo stays out of staffing and day to day store management while maintaining product and pricing controls. Happened in my little community, the CTC dealer cherry picked products, never had CTC weekly promo merch out for sale and ran autoservice his way. CTC clipped his wings by opening a Corp store on hits territorial boundary which forced his hand.
 
Mad Mike said:
The hybrid dealership model kicks in when the tail wags the dog. This can happen with big market dealers, the dealer has a protected territory, develops their own clientele, then begins to waiver from their dealership agreements. HD has had this problem for years particularly in the areas of product mix and pricing. When uniformity in the network interferes with the customer experience -- there is a problem.

It's happened with other dealer based networks -- probably the biggest in the game is Canadian Tire. Mother Company (MoCo) doesn't want to operate stores, so what they do is create PCs (profit centers), where the store manager acts like an owner, but gets financially backstopped and administratively supported by MoCo -- MoCo stays out of staffing and day to day store management while maintaining product and pricing controls. Happened in my little community, the CTC dealer cherry picked products, never had CTC weekly promo merch out for sale and ran autoservice his way. CTC clipped his wings by opening a Corp store on hits territorial boundary which forced his hand.
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That model is substantially how Shoppers Drug Mart operates. Corporate deals with space, fixtures and initial inventory, store is run under a corporation in the owners name (eg. Mad Mike SDM Inc.) and the "owner" gets to make most decisions on stock and staff from that point forward. Corporate can pull (and has pulled) the franchise at any time if they have concerns about how it is being run.
 
didn't know about HD's brief ownership of MV
this snippet from wiki is a fun read
figure someone from HD took an ass-kicking over this?

on July 11, 2008, Harley-Davidson announced they had signed a definitive agreement to acquire the MV Agusta Group for 109 million US dollars (about 70 million euros), completing the acquisition on August 8, 2008.

Claudio Castiglioni remained its president. Harley-Davidson invested 40 million euros into debts pay-off, production upgrade and the new model launches. However due to its own problems Harley-Davidson decided to sell MV Agusta in October 2009

And here Claudio was lucky again. On August 6, 2010 the new MV Agusta company, financially healthy and seriously refreshed, was bought by Castiglioni family for just 1 euro

not sure if Claudio is still around, but if so, I bet he's still laughing
fleeced HD for over 150 mil and got the Co back for one euro
 
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