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please help me choose Triumph or Harley

tantra_i

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Hello
I am currently in conundrum whether to buy a used triumph america or an Harley 1200 sporster custom.
I like both of them, but have never ridden them. I am used to a Enfield 350CC..and have been riding for a long time.

They are both late models.

America has
-after market exhaust. (Loud enough for me)
-warranty.

HD 1200
- after market exhaust ( little too loud but I like it.. worried about how my neighbours and cops would react)
- warranty over
- lots of chrome upgrades.
- costs about 1200 more.

I would like input from someone who has ridden both of them and what they feel is the one to go with. I am hoping there wouldn't be much difference in the insurance. Also wondering about maintenance costs.
 
I can already predict the responses you will get on this forum. Anticipate many thoughtless, angry replies. :)

However, could you answer the following questions:

- How big/tall are you?
- Do you intend to do any long distance touring on the bike?
- Do you do mostly city or highway riding?
- What are the years of the bikes? That can make a big difference. Will help identify if there were any problems with either of those years of bikes.
 
This is not the type of forum to mention the "H" word, your best bet is to ride em, and make a choice yourself. My GF has a 1200, and so do some of her GF's, they luv them, and maintenance is nothing to worry about. The Triumph americais is a nice looking machine, but I would prefer the bigger engine in the Harley, for the highway, and day trips. No need to worry about the exhaust, no one bothers Harley's, so you good to go.
 
This is not the type of forum to mention the "H" word, your best bet is to ride em, and make a choice yourself. My GF has a 1200, and so do some of her GF's, they luv them, and maintenance is nothing to worry about. The Triumph americais is a nice looking machine, but I would prefer the bigger engine in the Harley, for the highway, and day trips. No need to worry about the exhaust, no one bothers Harley's, so you good to go.

+1 I agree completely that the OP has to sit and ride them before deciding. Some many tangibles involved from your physical size to what you plan to use the bike for.
 
I looked at a few cruiser choices myself before settling on the 1200 Custom. My practical reasons to choose HD included large Forum support, availability of dealerships and customization options. My personal reasons to choose the XL platform was agility, good power to weight ratio and looks.
 
Sportsters are a dime a dozen. Lot's of after market to make it "fit". Seats, bars, pegs, mirrors, windshields, etc. ebay is your friend in this regard and kijiji can also be helpful. The dealer is super spendy. Maintance is pretty easy if you are a DIY but, a shop manual is neccessary. The Sportster doesn't like to tour very far. Folks do take them on long adventures. Including myself. But, it isn't a fun bike on 400 series highways for very long. You'll get tired buzzing along at 120 + km/h. It's a nice boulevard cruiser and enjoys searching some curves in the back roads travelling slightly above the posted speed limit.


I have a windshield but, it doesn't do much. A taller version would provide the protection I'm looking for but, it looks out of place. Forget about any 2up rides beyond an hour. It's a smaller bike to begin with and the suspension is soft. Aftermarket again is your friend. Your passenger won't be asking for another ride very soon. If the model is a rubber mount engine with the 4.5 gallon tank, it's a bit more comfortable. If it's a solid mount, the vibes can get to you after a full day of riding but, the smaller 3.3 gallon tank means you'll get a break a little more often. I range 200-210 kms when I hit the reserve on two lane black top. I lose a bit of range on 400 seriers as I travel at a higher rate of speed. 185 to 195 kms before hitting reserve. My bike is carbed. 2006 and newer are FI.

I've looked at the America and ridden it a short distance. It's power delievery is very smooth. The ergos felt better. It didn't have a windshield and I never went on the highway so, I can't comment on the touring aspect of the bike. Nor can I comment on the maintence/service or reliability. The stock seat was comfortable but, the pad for a passenger looks best for trips for ice cream than trips to the cottage.

I personally like the Triumph brand and would likely own one sometime down the road. The America has a larger fuel tank. You don't come across them very often so, you are riding something a bit special. It's a toss up for engine sound. Both bring a smile to my face.

I think given the choice, I'd let my butt decide and take them both for a good ride.

If you care about what your peers think or even the general public. Harley owners themselves are great. There are some butt heads that think it's the only brand worth riding but, it's only a few. Non HD riders love to poke fun at HD riders. Ironically I get nothing but respect and positive comments where ever I go. So, if you don't mind the additional time for casual chit chat with strangers at the convenience store or gas station or kids chirping, "Nice bike!". The Sporty just might fit the bill. The conversation usually starts out, "Is that a Harley? My brother/friend/relative has one.........."


Triumph owners seem to get respect from most riders and don't appear to receive any of the negative comments from the peanut gallary. You can hang with the HD folks or any brand or style you want. You'll probably get a lot of the same question. "Is that a Bonnieville?" Triumph bikes certainly have a lot of character. They look good, they feel good and they ride good.


That's my take on it anyways. Maybe a few Triumph owners can chime in?
 
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Great comments from both sides Nakkers.

Quick question on the America...did you find it pulled less than your 1200? Anything I've read indicates you'd have a lot less Torque vs. the 1200. (driven primarily by the fact the Sporty has 350 more cc's...lol) While that's not the be all and end all on a bike, you'd think a 30 foot pound difference would make a big deal.
 
Great comments from both sides Nakkers.

Quick question on the America...did you find it pulled less than your 1200? Anything I've read indicates you'd have a lot less Torque vs. the 1200. (driven primarily by the fact the Sporty has 350 more cc's...lol) While that's not the be all and end all on a bike, you'd think a 30 foot pound difference would make a big deal.

The America felt "lighter" and the engine revs up quicker. It didn't feel underpowered or at least it didn't feel slower than my Sporty. The clutch on the America was light and engaged nicely too. So, it made a favorable seat of the pants impression.

I've taken a new Sportster on a demo. I wouldn't take it out of the showroom without a stage 1. (pipes, a/c, fuel map) It's just too restricted out of the box.

If I was considering the America, I'd ride it stock for a season and probably look for some pipes but, I couldn't say that about the Sportster. It needs them. Not looking to wake the neighbours or annouce my arrival. Just a nice sound track.

In all honesty, the Amercia wouldn't be my first choice. I'd look at the Thruxton (first) but I'd feel guilty about no passenger accommodations so, I'd look at the Bonnie next. Then I'd fight with myself as that opens the door for the Thunderbird. The Rocket is just too much of a beast.
 
Triumph would be my pick... Im just not a fan of Harleys




BUY A SUZUKI!!!!
 
There is a huge dealer network for HD and there is a lot of places to find good information to support the ownership. There is even a lot of indie shops that can service HDs as well. (They might even be former dealers too!)


HD's hold their value well but, I think the same could be said about Triumph too.

I do prefer the belt drive of my Sporty over the chain of the America but, that wouldn't be a game changer to me.

I've seen some pretty sexy gear from Triumph that combine vintage/modern look with great colors and design. Even if you spend a boat load on some high end HD apparel, you'll still run into someone else else with the same stuff. But, as I say this, I did break down and get a nice HD jacket and have no regrets about it. It's just the way it is.
 
There is a huge dealer network for HD and there is a lot of places to find good information to support the ownership. There is even a lot of indie shops that can service HDs as well. (They might even be former dealers too!)


HD's hold their value well but, I think the same could be said about Triumph too.

I do prefer the belt drive of my Sporty over the chain of the America but, that wouldn't be a game changer to me.

I've seen some pretty sexy gear from Triumph that combine vintage/modern look with great colors and design. Even if you spend a boat load on some high end HD apparel, you'll still run into someone else else with the same stuff. But, as I say this, I did break down and get a nice HD jacket and have no regrets about it. It's just the way it is.

aaawwww man... dont match your gear to the brand of bike you ride!
 
I'd look at the Thruxton (first) but I'd feel guilty about no passenger accommodations...

Great info, Nakkers.

The Thurxton can accommodate two onboard once the rear seat cover is removed.

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aaawwww man... dont match your gear to the brand of bike you ride!

I know. It's cheezy. I cringe to admit it. In a lame attempt to justify myself, I won't color match on purpose...................unless everything is black. My bike is red. I know, it doesn't matter.



Great info, Nakkers.

The Thurxton can accommodate two onboard once the rear seat cover is removed.

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Jayell,

I should have known that. Face palm. OK, I'm off in search of my second bike!!!!


Cheers.
 
I can already predict the responses you will get on this forum. Anticipate many thoughtless, angry replies. :)

However, could you answer the following questions:

- How big/tall are you?
- Do you intend to do any long distance touring on the bike?
- Do you do mostly city or highway riding?
- What are the years of the bikes? That can make a big difference. Will help identify if there were any problems with either of those years of bikes.

thanks for your reply .. mostly city riding.. am not intending to do long trips.. maybe once in a blue moon...I am about 5'8"... the HD is 09, and the America is 2010.
 
This is not the type of forum to mention the "H" word, your best bet is to ride em, and make a choice yourself. My GF has a 1200, and so do some of her GF's, they luv them, and maintenance is nothing to worry about. The Triumph americais is a nice looking machine, but I would prefer the bigger engine in the Harley, for the highway, and day trips. No need to worry about the exhaust, no one bothers Harley's, so you good to go.

+1 I agree completely that the OP has to sit and ride them before deciding. Some many tangibles involved from your physical size to what you plan to use the bike for.

Unfortunately I cannot ride them as this would be my first bike in Canada... and dont carry insurance...but having sat on them... I feel that the America would be more comfortable on a long ride ... not that I intent to take lots on long rides... it mostly going to be riding around the GTA...
 
Get the HD if you want to be a part of the crowd, go for the Trumpet if you'd rather not.
 
thanks for your reply .. mostly city riding.. am not intending to do long trips.. maybe once in a blue moon...I am about 5'8"... the HD is 09, and the America is 2010.

I honestly think you're basically a wash then...If you'd been north of 5'10" I just can't recommend a Sporty. (no offense to all the Sporty riders) I found it cramped and I'm just shy of 6'0' tall.

I *think* the Sporty might be a little less maintenance...if only for the belt vs. chain drive. Given they are both air cooled, they'll both be devilishly hot if the temp starts to rise in the city. The slow speed maneovring (sp??) of the Harley might edge out given your statement of city driving.

I think the best advice you've gotten is to go with whatever you are more comfortable on. The bikes aren't that different.

And I *completely* agree with the cool factor of the Triumph.
 
Sportsters are a dime a dozen. Lot's of after market to make it "fit". Seats, bars, pegs, mirrors, windshields, etc. ebay is your friend in this regard and kijiji can also be helpful. The dealer is super spendy. Maintance is pretty easy if you are a DIY but, a shop manual is neccessary. The Sportster doesn't like to tour very far. Folks do take them on long adventures. Including myself. But, it isn't a fun bike on 400 series highways for very long. You'll get tired buzzing along at 120 + km/h. It's a nice boulevard cruiser and enjoys searching some curves in the back roads travelling slightly above the posted speed limit.


I have a windshield but, it doesn't do much. A taller version would provide the protection I'm looking for but, it looks out of place. Forget about any 2up rides beyond an hour. It's a smaller bike to begin with and the suspension is soft. Aftermarket again is your friend. Your passenger won't be asking for another ride very soon. If the model is a rubber mount engine with the 4.5 gallon tank, it's a bit more comfortable. If it's a solid mount, the vibes can get to you after a full day of riding but, the smaller 3.3 gallon tank means you'll get a break a little more often. I range 200-210 kms when I hit the reserve on two lane black top. I lose a bit of range on 400 seriers as I travel at a higher rate of speed. 185 to 195 kms before hitting reserve. My bike is carbed. 2006 and newer are FI.

I've looked at the America and ridden it a short distance. It's power delievery is very smooth. The ergos felt better. It didn't have a windshield and I never went on the highway so, I can't comment on the touring aspect of the bike. Nor can I comment on the maintence/service or reliability. The stock seat was comfortable but, the pad for a passenger looks best for trips for ice cream than trips to the cottage.

I personally like the Triumph brand and would likely own one sometime down the road. The America has a larger fuel tank. You don't come across them very often so, you are riding something a bit special. It's a toss up for engine sound. Both bring a smile to my face.

I think given the choice, I'd let my butt decide and take them both for a good ride.

If you care about what your peers think or even the general public. Harley owners themselves are great. There are some butt heads that think it's the only brand worth riding but, it's only a few. Non HD riders love to poke fun at HD riders. Ironically I get nothing but respect and positive comments where ever I go. So, if you don't mind the additional time for casual chit chat with strangers at the convenience store or gas station or kids chirping, "Nice bike!". The Sporty just might fit the bill. The conversation usually starts out, "Is that a Harley? My brother/friend/relative has one.........."


Triumph owners seem to get respect from most riders and don't appear to receive any of the negative comments from the peanut gallary. You can hang with the HD folks or any brand or style you want. You'll probably get a lot of the same question. "Is that a Bonnieville?" Triumph bikes certainly have a lot of character. They look good, they feel good and they ride good.


That's my take on it anyways. Maybe a few Triumph owners can chime in?

Thank you for the great comparison...I think "you are riding something a bit special" says a lot about the America...I like the 1200 too.. and like the loudness too... its just that I do not like to draw attention...I am leaning towards the America... saves me some money... and like you said the special factor...got the weekend to mull over it...
 
I like the HD's but not really the sportster. Road king would be the one. Super classic style. I agree the Triumphs are nice and buck the trend. In the end you really need to try them. I thought I wanted a Duc but then found an R1100s and it was the best of sorry and being able to make the long haul.
 

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