My sarcastic comment was more about the chance of this thread not getting locked in the near future.
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My blood pressure meds and significant amounts of whiskey will ensure I’m relatively mellow this time.
I’ve just remembered I don’t take blood pressure meds though.
This I can get on-board with. If this is the way it happens.
Only problem is the last couple yrs it was called covid and nobody had the flu.
Do you agree with this?
I do…because we were in lockdown to try to cut down on COVID transmission and, coincidentally, that’s also how flu spreads. So…by trying to cut down on one disease transmission, we also cut down on the other. Win win.
Just to be clear though…no one was confusing COVID with flu except for those that wished it to be so.
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No scientist or doctor has claimed 0% risk with them, this is a rather naive statement. They even make you sign a waiver when you get the shot, and I personally know someone who spent 3 weeks in hospital from reacting to the AZ one, and 2 others who won't get the 2nd one due to internal complications. None of this even factors in any long term data or studies. I'm all for people getting one, on their own merit and understanding. However telling others to get it, without being open minded to both sides of the story, just becomes coercing.
Even the 40% effectiveness isn't accurate, some studies have shown less than 10, and the numbers are going down. Infact FDA has been a bit delayed, due to cases of facial, or partial paralysis.
In terms of 0%, well, you can download VAERs data yourself. Data speaks volumes, so does intuition. Because finding credible data, that isn't tainted or busted by companies looking for profits and to void liabilities isn't easy.
12,184 DEAD 1,196,190 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines”
by Brian Shilhavy Editor, Health Impact News The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, which also tracks reports of injuries and deaths following the experimenta…
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VAERS raw data was never intended to estimate vaccine side-effects. Read this from their own site: VAERS - Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data
Key phrase: "The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."
Key phrase: "The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."
ScorpionT16
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Hence why I linked the "The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance,"... "EudraVigilance is a system designed for collecting reports of suspected side effects. These reports are used for evaluating the benefits and risks of medicines during their development and monitoring their safety following their authorization in the European Economic Area (EEA). EudraVigilance has been in use since December 2001."
And to say 100% of VAERS cases have nothing to do with reactions. is also scientifically wrong, as all data should be viewed in such context. Only Science has become a religion, and people/corporations/politicians prefer to push their view, vs what the figures and data suggests, cancel culture prefers to remove whatever doesn't fit the individuals narrative.
No scientist or doctor has claimed 0% risk with them, this is a rather naive statement. They even make you sign a waiver when you get the shot, and I personally know someone who spent 3 weeks in hospital from reacting to the AZ one, and 2 others who won't get the 2nd one due to internal complications. None of this even factors in any long term data or studies. I'm all for people getting one, on their own merit and understanding. However telling others to get it, without being open minded to both sides of the story, just becomes coercing.
Even the 40% effectiveness isn't accurate, some studies have shown less than 10, and the numbers are going down. Infact FDA has been a bit delayed, due to cases of facial, or partial paralysis.
In terms of 0%, well, you can download VAERs data yourself. Data speaks volumes, so does intuition. Because finding credible data, that isn't tainted or busted by companies looking for profits and to void liabilities isn't easy.
12,184 DEAD 1,196,190 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines”
by Brian Shilhavy Editor, Health Impact News The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, which also tracks reports of injuries and deaths following the experimenta…
The Prize..is not getting hospitalized.
No scientist or doctor has claimed 0% risk with them, this is a rather naive statement. They even make you sign a waiver when you get the shot, and I personally know someone who spent 3 weeks in hospital from reacting to the AZ one, and 2 others who won't get the 2nd one due to internal complications. None of this even factors in any long term data or studies. I'm all for people getting one, on their own merit and understanding. However telling others to get it, without being open minded to both sides of the story, just becomes coercing.
Even the 40% effectiveness isn't accurate, some studies have shown less than 10, and the numbers are going down. Infact FDA has been a bit delayed, due to cases of facial, or partial paralysis.
In terms of 0%, well, you can download VAERs data yourself. Data speaks volumes, so does intuition. Because finding credible data, that isn't tainted or busted by companies looking for profits and to void liabilities isn't easy.
12,184 DEAD 1,196,190 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines”
by Brian Shilhavy Editor, Health Impact News The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, which also tracks reports of injuries and deaths following the experimenta…
No coercion. No need. Serious adverse events are so small as to currently be unquantifiable in real terms. The incidence is so close to the naturally occurring events without vaccine that they are essentially negligible. The most serious issues are if you have anaphylactic reactions with components of the vaccine and in these cases you would likely have had these reactions before.
Also…Brian already mentioned why you can’t use the data you quote as an absolute.
I now have skin in the game. Booked holidays in Europe for October. This had better be mostly blown over by then!
Both Canada and Spain have high vaccination rates. From Spain COVID: 4,523,310 Cases and 81,773 Deaths - Worldometer Spain is on the mend from a delta-variant spike. Their 7-day-moving-average peak was on 25 July. The UK's corresponding peak was on 21 July and case numbers have already dropped to just over half what it was. I think it'll be okay there a month from now.
Both Canada and Spain have high vaccination rates. From Spain COVID: 4,523,310 Cases and 81,773 Deaths - Worldometer Spain is on the mend from a delta-variant spike. Their 7-day-moving-average peak was on 25 July. The UK's corresponding peak was on 21 July and case numbers have already dropped to just over half what it was. I think it'll be okay there a month from now.
If you use Facebook then subscribe to YYZ Deals by Chris Mulden. You’ll get up to the day advice about any details to do with flights and entry requirements and actual passenger write ups. You also get notice of any flight deals. Very useful group. Change the airport code for other airports, the one I listed is for Pearson. In other years I’ve managed to snag really good flight deals from info from the group but this year it’s extremely useful for general travel advice.
Already booked, I just got that done this morning. There's no direct flight to where I'm going, so I imposed my own criteria ... the flight transfer had to be within the Schengen zone, not the UK, so that I only had to deal with EU passport control once! The covid19 admission criteria for each country (thus far) don't apply if you are just doing a flight transfer within the airport, so I only have to deal with Spain.
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Good luck, lockdown number 4 will be happening by then.
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