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Philadelphia gas station owner hires heavily armed guards to protect business

Jampy00

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at first glance I would be totally against this, but after watching the entire article I feel the owner is doing what he feels is in the best interest to himself, his staff, and customers. I am sure 24 hour armed security is not cheap.. What are you thoughts?
 
The land of the gun.

Considering the US record on gun violence, if I was in the US and looking to gas up I'd prefer a station where it's less likely to get robbed or hijacked.

Unfortunately as more stations go this route it becomes the new normal and the bad stuff grows back.
 
crankcall said:
It’s a very sketchy part of Philly , I have zero problem with it . They will only shoot crooks .
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I feel like the guard won't do any shooting at all. Either the armed guard standing out in the open acts as a deterrent, making an armed robbery much riskier... or they are a bullet magnet and are simply the first person to be shot.
 
Sucks that it's gotten to this state, I don't disagree with his choices one bit.
Wonder if the workers in such areas can refuse due to unsafe working conditions (without security).
A high school in toronto just had their teachers and then students walk out due to unsafe conditions (violence and lack of security).

Employer has to protect their staff and clients from hazards. I'd say high level of robberies and crimes are a hazard. I don't see another reasonable means of running this business and doing so if the city/police aren't doing enough.

TwistedKestrel said:
I feel like the guard won't do any shooting at all. Either the armed guard standing out in the open acts as a deterrent, making an armed robbery much riskier... or they are a bullet magnet and are simply the first person to be shot.
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That was my thoughts too, but these aren't gang or trained shooters they are dealing with. Being the only such guarded station in the city, I think most would take their chances elsewhere. Most of the crimes they mentioned sounded more opportunistic than planned.
Also, they mentioned they all wear Kevlar in the video.
 
Last spring when the fuel prices were getting out of control, the gas station down the street from me went to pre-pay before pumping (which I find very annoying, I like to go in to store after gassing up) I asked why, and clerk said over $1000 worth of stolen fuel happened the week before. He said they give the license plates to the police and nothing gets done about it, usually stolen plates. It is back to normal now, but only on the interior pumps, outside ones still pre-pay.
 
Jampy00 said:
at first glance I would be totally against this, but after watching the entire article I feel the owner is doing what he feels is in the best interest to himself, his staff, and customers. I am sure 24 hour armed security is not cheap.. What are you thoughts?
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When seconds count, police are only minutes away. Cops get mad when you do their job but they are entirely ill-equipped to do their job at a level of service that works for most people.

As for this owner, bad guys will leave him alone and pick an easier target. Whether the lower crime cancels out the huge bill is questionable. If I lived there, I would be happy to use the "safer" gas station. If I was a tourist and saw people with weapons, I would probably drive to the next station. They need less black, less face coverings and more hi-vis and labeling so you can easily identify them as security from a distance.
 
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My only question is whether when things go down...this security team actually does something about it. Or runs off. It's all well and good to look tough and play pretend you're willing to shoot someone...until it comes time to do it.

As Mike Tyson said 'Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face'.
 
There is a ton of places in the US where bullet proof glass and heavily armed security is the norm. It is what it is.

Even here its slowly heading the same way, we've started using the alarm system at night while were sleeping now, where as 15 years ago we'd leave the front doors unlocked and not worry about a thing.
 
So glad we have america being our buffer.

They keep us safe, in more ways than one.
 
mimico_polak said:
My only question is whether when things go down...this security team actually does something about it. Or runs off. It's all well and good to look tough and play pretend you're willing to shoot someone...until it comes time to do it.

As Mike Tyson said 'Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face'.
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In the video, they had good trigger discipline, mediocre muzzle discipline and minimal readiness. It is hard to stay ready to go for a long time and I think they would get shot before they got in the battle. I think they are there as an effective deterrent and will never be needed to shoot (which is good as I think that would end poorly for them and bystanders).
 
bigpoppa said:
So glad we have america being our buffer.

They keep us safe, in more ways than one.
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They actually make us unsafe. Pretty much all the guns used in crimes in canada hop our southern border to get here. I'm going to make a guess and say most drugs and other contraband come in the same way.

They are not a buffer at all.
 
raginduck said:
The owner is an ex-cop... fired for an alleged theft.
Most of the Philly police force hates him and some are involved in lawsuits with him.
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So you're saying he really made the right choice as police will never show up (and/or are the ones stealing from him).
 
DownUnder said:
They actually make us unsafe. Pretty much all the guns used in crimes in canada hop our southern border to get here. I'm going to make a guess and say most drugs and other contraband come in the same way.

They are not a buffer at all.
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things would be a LOT worse if we were further south. We're not nearly as big of a drug market, and are further away so that keeps things pretty safe in canada.
 
Mikedezo44 said:
the police and nothing gets done about it,
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I support the cops but something is seriously wrong when 41% of my Peel Region tax dollars goes to them and they're no where in sight when they're needed. I'm sure Toronto is not much different (see story below). Is it too much paperwork taking their time?

toronto.ctvnews.ca

Toronto woman 'livid' after police allegedly told her to 'call the mayor' during home invasion attempt

A Toronto woman says she is “livid” after an officer with the Toronto Police Service (TPS) allegedly told her to “call the mayor” while an intruder attempted to break into her home Monday night.
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LBV said:
I support the cops but something is seriously wrong when 41% of my Peel Region tax dollars goes to them and they're no where in sight when they're needed. I'm sure Toronto is not much different (see story below). Is it too much paperwork taking their time?

toronto.ctvnews.ca

Toronto woman 'livid' after police allegedly told her to 'call the mayor' during home invasion attempt

A Toronto woman says she is “livid” after an officer with the Toronto Police Service (TPS) allegedly told her to “call the mayor” while an intruder attempted to break into her home Monday night.
toronto.ctvnews.ca toronto.ctvnews.ca
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Really high compensation per officer means not that many bodies on duty at one time. Cut salaries down to ~70k and you would have the same applicants and 50% more bodies on the street for the same budget. Over 100k after four years with only high school is crazy.

Also, douggie needs to fix psa. Far too many dirtbags being paid for many years that should never work as a cop again. Adjudicate psa charges asap and terminate if justified. Do not wait for criminal system.
 
41% of a $2.7 billion operating budget is $1.1 billion. That's a ton of $$.

Doing some back of the napkin math and assuming that 20% of the police budget is overhead and office suits etc leaves $880 million to cover boots on the ground. At $100k / yr that's 8,800 cops and I really don't know where they all are in Peel region.

The next biggest item is 12%. What a drop.

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LBV said:
41% of a $2.7 billion operating budget is $1.1 billion. That's a ton of $$.

Doing some back of the napkin math and assuming that 20% of the police budget is overhead and office suits etc leaves $880 million to cover boots on the ground. At $100k / yr that's 8,800 cops and I really don't know where they all are in Peel region.

The next biggest item is 12%. What a drop.

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Total compensation of the average cop is well over 100k. Probably in the ballpark of 130k. Using the numbers below, it is ~135k (1.1B*0.9/7400). That calculation includes uniform and civilians. Ridiculous levels of compensation for mostly goons.

For TPS "Of the money budgeted for Toronto police operations in 2022, 90 per cent is going to salaries, benefits, overtime and other pay-related expenses for the service's approximately 4,988 uniform officers and 2,400 civilian staff members, according to the TPS 2022 budget request." Many TPS divisionns have one or two people working the night shift. There are 17 divisions. How does 5000/17 only provide two at night? How many are not actually boots on the ground (suspended, work accommodation, stress leave, paperwork, etc)?


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PRP salaries and related is 94% of budget.

thepointer.com

Peel tax dollars flow disproportionately to police, while fire and paramedics struggle

For the past six years, the operating budgets of police, fire and paramedics in Peel have all grown significantly.
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