Peel regional police - Toronto Sun article.

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I'm not generally a police hater, but reading stuff like this; really makes me lose faith in our officers. How do we a trust a group of people who have been found pulling stunts like this.

TORONTO - Does Peel Regional Police Chief Mike Metcalf not have the Special Investigations Unit phone number?
In an SIU news release Monday, director Ian Scott laid out his latest grievance — a car accident last summer involving a police cruiser that put an eight-year-old boy in hospital with severe injuries.
“PRP never notified the SIU of this Aug. 12, 2011, incident. This is an apparent violation of the SIU regulation to the Police Services Act. Section 3 of that regulation states that a chief shall notify the SIU immediately of an incident involving an officer that may reasonably be considered to fall within the SIU mandate … In my view, the lack of notification in these circumstances was inappropriate and may well have impacted upon the adequacy of the investigation. SIU investigators did not attend the scene and had to rely largely upon the investigative work product of PRP.”
This sound familiar?
Remember this Aug 29, 2011, release from Scott when a young woman was chewed June 28 by a Peel police dog?
“In my view, I cannot complete an adequate investigation into this matter. First, PRP did not report this incident to the SIU when it should have been clear that the dog caused a serious injury to Ms. (Michelle) Rosales; she sustained two large lacerations that were serious enough that an ambulance was called to the scene. As a result of this non-notification, the SIU was deprived of a contemporaneous accounting of the incident.”
For the record, Section 3 of Ontario Regulation 267/10 of the Police Act clearly states “a chief of police shall notify the SIU immediately of an incident involving one or more of his or her police officers that may reasonably be considered to fall within the investigative mandate of the SIU.”
In both of these cases, it was brave Mississauga News reporter Louie Rosella who heard about the story and who in essence notified the SIU when calling them to ask about it. And it’s not like Peel doesn’t take traffic violations seriously.
Ask Mississauga firefighter Jarrett Johns, who was charged with “Red Light – Fail to Stop, under the Highway Traffic Act” for the March 6 death of a 42-year-old woman. And he was responding to a call.
This police officer was not.
In the Aug. 12 case, where a boy was badly hurt, the way Scott describes it there was no fair terms investigation into it.
“As previously outlined, the collision was significant and the injuries sustained by the eight-year-old boy were of a serious nature,” wrote Scott.
“Firefighters had to cut open the vehicle to remove the boy and ambulances were called to the scene. When an officer is involved in an incident of serious injury or death, it is not for the police service to predetermine the issue of criminality — that is the function of the SIU.”
In both cases the officers were not charged so maybe this not letting the SIU in on incidents involving them is working?
Arguably the best police service in the world, Peel police is better than shirking Police Act guidelines. I put a request into Chief Metcalf for his side of this case and to find out if there were any Highway Traffic charges.
Metcalf's spokesman Staff-Sgt. Taufic Saliba sent an e-mail response late Monday. "We will not be commenting regarding notification to the SIU. Our investigation of this accident was suspended pending the completion of the SIU investigation. In light of results of the SIU investigation being released, we will now continue with our investigation."
The SIU says the posted speed limit was 70 km/h and “as (the officer) approached the intersection of Erin Mills Pkwy. and Sheridan Park Dr., the traffic light was green in his direction and he began increasing his speed from 76 km/h.”
Scott wrote, “The pre-impact speed of the subject officer’s cruiser was 98 km/h … almost 30 km/h over the speed limit as he entered the intersection. He was not responding to a dispatched call for service and had not activated his emergency equipment. Accordingly, he does not benefit from the exceptions to obeying the speed limits found in the Highway Traffic Act which permits police officers to speed in the lawful performance of their duties.”
Yet it appears there will be no proper inquiry, like we saw with the fire truck that allegedly went through a red light and struck a car.
What I wonder about in this case is what if it had been the other way around — if it was the boy’s mother who was accelerating to 98 km and put a police officer in hospital with “a broken collarbone, bruised lung and facial lacerations,” just as the boy went through?
 
yeah, ride or drive around peel, it doesn't take long to spot a cop speeding along with no lights or siren cutting people off...i am not a big fan of their neighbourhood...they have a great PR company if someone believes "Arguably the best police service in the world", i would say practice what you preach, but definitely not in their case, i'm happy to not be living in that area anymore...
 
I thought it was common belief that Peel region is one of the WORST police services?

Ive had Toronto police officers say to me "oh you live in no deal peal" "dont worry were not going to strip search you in public like they do"...So apparently even other police services know peel is the worst....Too many really young hot heads in the peel force IMO
 
What bothers me is an organization that is basically regulated by itself. Maybe they should have an organization that is run by the ppl to regulate the police
 
I have only dealt with one (younger) officer one-on-one, and he was standup. They do drive like idiots (work in Brampton) for the most part.
 
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What bothers me is an organization that is basically regulated by itself. Maybe they should have an organization that is run by the ppl to regulate the police

That is what the SIU is supposed to be.

Is it working or not? You do the math.

There are too many former police representatives on the SIU. While I understand that the SIU needs to understand the viewpoint of the police in an investigation in order to be fair, my opinion is that anyone who is a former police officer should be excluded from the SIU. They can get the viewpoint of the police by consulting with the police, but no former police officer should have anything to do with establishing the outcome of any SIU investigation. (I.e. they can speak their viewpoint, but they get no vote, if there is such a thing.) It is a conflict of interest for former police officers to have their say in a matter like this.
 
An insurance broker I know warned me that they often only take one side of the story when investigating a collision. Drive safe and speak up.
 
That is what the SIU is supposed to be.

Is it working or not? You do the math.

There are too many former police representatives on the SIU. While I understand that the SIU needs to understand the viewpoint of the police in an investigation in order to be fair, my opinion is that anyone who is a former police officer should be excluded from the SIU. They can get the viewpoint of the police by consulting with the police, but no former police officer should have anything to do with establishing the outcome of any SIU investigation. (I.e. they can speak their viewpoint, but they get no vote, if there is such a thing.) It is a conflict of interest for former police officers to have their say in a matter like this.

Well you need some people, with a law enforcement background, in order to properly understand the job and hierarchy. Maybe the rule should be that such people can't be drawn from police services, that they could later be called in to investigate? From out of Province, perhaps?

My dealings with Peel Regional Police have been good but, admittedly, I haven't many. They usually involved them scraping me off the pavement, after some idiot had run into me.

The fact that they seem to be resisting calling the SIU tends to imply that they would be worried about the results. That says, to me at least, that the SIU would do its job.
 
^ That's more or less how I see it too. It's not that SIU cover their "own" but more a case of PRP street gang dodging them and not reporting issues that they are required to report.

Having civilians review the cases isn't a viable solution because they don't have the experience or understanding.

What needs to happen is something along the line of all cases, regardless of what they are landing on an SIU annalists desk so that department can determine what is going to be investigated. Problem there is the sheer number of cases vs. manpower.

Still.... if the system is changed so the reports are specific to the event and file numbers can be flagged then it would eliminate simple cases without incident.

That takes away the situations where the higher ups cover their favorites, make handshake favour for a favour deals and handle things "internally".

Usually it's a case of the department protecting it's own (as someone said) because in their opinion they think the officer is a goldenboy/girl and something like killing someone while on duty would effect their career progression.

My organization tends to overlook the mistakes made by the "good" guys and hammer the shitpumps for any minor mistake they make. It's not uncommon in any organization where performance and conduct effects progression.

Right or wrong it's the way of the world.
 
Never had any problems with Peel. But I'm a law abiding white boy who rides a Harley. They chat with me on the road. ;)
 
There are good and not-so-good cops in Peel, like any other force. Not notifying SIU - not mart... They have to clean up their act based on general sentiment :)

Oh, and "brave" Louie Rosella" - that made me lol - that guy is conspiracy theory small time reporter that makes MissNews look like the Sun...
 
Well you need some people, with a law enforcement background, in order to properly understand the job and hierarchy. Maybe the rule should be that such people can't be drawn from police services, that they could later be called in to investigate? From out of Province, perhaps?

The SIU officers (former police officers) cannot investigate any incidents in that happen in their previous jurisdiction. Ie if they used to work for metro they cannot investigate any metro incidents.
 
The SIU officers (former police officers) cannot investigate any incidents in that happen in their previous jurisdiction. Ie if they used to work for metro they cannot investigate any metro incidents.

Good to know (I should have checked the rules first), but pulling from another Province would further reduce perceived favouritism.
 

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