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Passed M1 - never Driven a BIKE before - which bike shud i get ?

CruisnGrrl said:
when i first went looking for a bike i wanted a cruiser like a virago or vstar or vulcan.... I ended up buying a standard (kind of a universal seating position) because that is what was available for my price range. i then took a riding course and found that what i really wanted was a dual sport (something like a vstrom is what i really want). lucky i didn't get a cruiser... the nice thing about RTI courses are that you can pick any bike you want to try, i recommend switching up bikes often, you might find you like one bike over another...

as for starting too big, starter bikes are first bikes, not last bikes, once you're rocking a starter bike (which is also way nicer on insurance) you can sell it often for nearly what you paid for it. lots of guys buy a nice super sport and then scare themselves and never really learn to ride it well and just go for timmies runs (some do learn to ride it well but they're not as common and some put themselves in a position where they give up riding all together)... if you are looking for high cc and are willing to pay the insurance premium maybe look at something older, I started on an old 80's bike that had proven reliability and wasn't twitchy like super sports of today but it still had enough oomph to get me into trouble. a bike that is forgiving allows you to get up to the bikes speed and doesn't dump you for not paying attention... the super sports are race bikes and if you look at most racers they don't start on the gp race bikes, they start on smaller bikes, because even if you have natural talent you still need to hone that talent.
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This is a great post! Good things to think about.
 
reciprocity said:
IT people make bad motorcyclists.
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I refute your statement unless you back it up with at least 3 proof points from various internet sources. Because as we all know, if it's on the internet it must be true.

But wait....IT people control the internet....RUN FOR THE HILLS!!@$RWEF*@WONE
 
Hey, if you want to be a new rider and buy a 600 cc or 750 cc sport bike, go right ahead. They're your insurance premiums and not mine.
 
Set a budget (include jacket, gloves and helmet)

Sell your Subaru

Pick a few bikes you like

Find out what your insurance will be before buying.

Purchase bike.
 
gixxeranyone said:
Most people here are giving you bad advice. I bought a GSXR 600 as my first bike. It is a complete MISCONCEPTION that the throttle is so sensitive that if your not careful you'll wheelie right away. This must be from people that have never been on a 600 and it's their way of justifying wasting their time and money on a 250. It will not lift on you, as people are saying.

Don't waste your time with a 250 or anything like that. I recommend a 600, a 750 maybe a bit too much. If you go with a 600, that's plenty of power and fun and you won't get bored anytime soon. Nevermind all this upgrade business after 2 or 3 months. Complete waste of time.
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750 a bit much? I'd think a 600-750 would be marginally the same. Depends on the bike and the performance. Ie. Cruiser vs Sportbike vs Super Sport. Different bikes will have their power mapped differently.

have you seen this clip.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zNUPDmnz4

I wonder if he was a noob ?

btw - Here's how easy its to wheelie with a throttle twist....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiL2MCRXk7E&feature=related

To the OP. You're going to get a range of answers here. From ones to tell you to go big or go home .. or to the ones who tell you to go small. At the end of the day its up to you. The 600cc bikes of today are far more powerful from the 600's of the 1990s.

At the end of the season, how about finding this thread and posting back your results on what you did.

cheers
 
I work in IT, as do many others I race with.

We all crash from riding 600's, 750's and 1000's.

According to this this post,

gixxeranyone said:
Most people here are giving you bad advice. I bought a GSXR 600 as my first bike. It is a complete MISCONCEPTION that the throttle is so sensitive that if your not careful you'll wheelie right away. This must be from people that have never been on a 600 and it's their way of justifying wasting their time and money on a 250. It will not lift on you, as people are saying.

Don't waste your time with a 250 or anything like that. I recommend a 600, a 750 maybe a bit too much. If you go with a 600, that's plenty of power and fun and you won't get bored anytime soon. Nevermind all this upgrade business after 2 or 3 months. Complete waste of time.
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you have to be a bad motorcyclist to crash one of these bikes!
 
lol this guy is gonna be in the papers, and a splat on a 400 series highway, 5'10 150lbs It guy wants to start on a 750 with his m1 lolol
 
Take the course if you don't have any experience and make a decision based on your comfort level there. the more CC's will likely also affect your insurance premiums.

most small bikes are ussually very forgiving and will do wonders for your confidence and they have very little depreciation. Likely you will be able to sell in a seaon for nearly what you paid for it if you take care of it.

Take a weekend and visit as many dealers as possible to seat hump everything you can and find out what you think may be comfortable
 
Before you take the M2 course, go take a 4 hour dirt biking course at CMTS. They'll teach you how to use the clutch and shift and some basic core level riding skills that none of road courses bother to teach you. It's a lot easier learning hard lessons in the dirt with all the protective equipment vs on pavement with little to no protective gear.

If your goal is to ride street motorcycles, then learning how to ride off-road motorcycles will really help prepare you with the basics of “how to properly operate a motorcycle.” It is much easier to learn new skills than to correct/relearn improper techniques: by learning to ride on your own, you can get very good at doing the wrong thing; this makes it much harder to adopt good, safe motorcycle-riding habits.
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http://www.cmts.org/training_for_adults.aspx

If you look at accident statistics, riders with dirt-biking experience are under-represented - which is good!
 
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The best advice would be to take course at one of the colleges to test out the bikes and build some basic skills all the while getting your M2. Good value if you ask me.

Of course I didn't do any of that. Did my m1+m2 through the MTO and started on gs500 in a lane way/empty parking lot. I miss that bike, had enough power to do anything.
 
kiwi said:
750 a bit much? I'd think a 600-750 would be marginally the same. Depends on the bike and the performance. Ie. Cruiser vs Sportbike vs Super Sport. Different bikes will have their power mapped differently.

have you seen this clip.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zNUPDmnz4

I wonder if he was a noob ?

btw - Here's how easy its to wheelie with a throttle twist....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiL2MCRXk7E&feature=related

To the OP. You're going to get a range of answers here. From ones to tell you to go big or go home .. or to the ones who tell you to go small. At the end of the day its up to you. The 600cc bikes of today are far more powerful from the 600's of the 1990s.

At the end of the season, how about finding this thread and posting back your results on what you did.

cheers
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I would agree with you a 600 to a 750 is similar, however there is still a substantial power difference. What I was trying to say though, is there's no point jumping to the 750, when I don't believe you will get bored of the 600. An individual will take a lot longer to want to upgrade a 600 versus a 250.

As far as your other point, you posted a clip of someone riding a 1000, when we are talking about riding a 600. What bike do you have Kiwi? As I stated I have a 07 Gsxr 600, and I do not find the throttle sensitive at all. I have on occasion tried to wheelie by straight acceleration and was not able to get it up. Mind you, I'm a much bigger guy then OP. I'm 5'11, 220 (all muscle, if you wondering..lol). I just truly feel that people make it out to be much worse than it is. A 600 does not just lift from over acceleration. I say this because I thought that when I first got my bike. I had been brainwashed. I still recall my first time getting on her and thinking don't give it too much because I don't want it to wheelie. Man is that wrong. Even my brother the first time I let him ride it, asked the same thing, if I accelerate too much is it going to wheelie. I had to tell him, don't worry give it, it won't lift on you. I say this from my experience, and I don't pretend to know everything. Others may have different experiences.
 
It's fair to say that your learning curve will be much faster if you go with 500cc or less. Once you've got the fundamentals down you can then choose to upgrade.

I find that the younger adults have the need to jump to a 600cc SS or more because of peer pressure. I have friends that started on 600cc and they ride fine (that should be the exception and not the rule). I just feel that there should be no rush in getting a 600cc bike; go small first and learn the skills required to ride skillfully.

Your first bike is not your last bike.
 
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Remember that your balance and skill is not built yet. Id consider bike weight as a factor. I had an 800cc boulevard as a starter bike and i laid it down the highway ditch. Lost control was able to slowdown before i dropped the bike. But the weight of the bike and my balance was not that good yet. It took me a year before i can build a good balance and skill to react better on backwheel slide, emergency braking, riding through rain, feathering clutch and throttle, having a passenger, being passed on the same lane by a speeding biker, highway speed, potholes etc etc. I think if you start on a lighter bike you'll gain your skill better, faster and easier. When your new, you are still worrying about a lot of things and controls. a small shift in balance and weight can easily distract you from motorcycle operations.
 
if you can't get a 600 to wheelie under acceleration by twisting the throttle only, you're doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with the bike.

the throw of the throttle tubes on these bikes is quite long(for this very reason).

Try twisting the throttle until it stops mechanically and you'll see the difference.
 
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reciprocity said:
if you can't get a 600 to wheelie under acceleration by twisting the throttle only, you're doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with the bike.

the throw of the throttle tubes on these bikes is quite long(for this very reason).

Try twisting the throttle until it stops mechanically and you'll see the difference.
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Fair enough. Perhaps I've been too much of a p**** to really truly hammer the throttle down. I think this still proves the point I'm trying to make. You need to really and truly hammer the throttle down before it will lift on you. It's not as sensitive as it's made out to be.

Thanks for the advice though, I think I will grow some balls and give it a try.
 
gixxeranyone said:
Thanks for the advice though, I think I will grow some balls and give it a try.
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don't do that,

Its also rarely a matter of balls, its a matter of mechanics, the spin of the throttle is pretty large so you "THINK" you're wide open, but you're not.

Where the problems start, is when you unknowingly re-grip the throttle for a comfort reason, so its already open and then you decide to get into the throttle in the meat of the engine's power and try to figure out why you have a motorcycle on top of you and there is a key ring poking you in the eye.
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