Panigale vs. S1000RR vs. RSV4

Which bike do you like most?

  • Panegale

    Votes: 34 38.2%

  • S1000RR

    Votes: 29 32.6%

  • RSV4

    Votes: 26 29.2%
  • Total voters
    89
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Shaman said:
Well, the GSX-R in this case had a pipe, Bazzaz fuelling and a quickshifter. And that makes for a very damned fast bike, with everyday GSXR ergos.
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That was another problem with this review. The BMW was stock, and everything else got a supe job! Even the Pani gets an 8hp boost with the termis!

Allowing after market exhausts on some bikes, remapping and quickshifters wasn't a fair basis. The basis should be stock bikes. If BMW gives more value for money then so be it!

They didn't fit an after market on the Agusta either which would have faired much better with a remapping to smooth out that "kick" or "surge" in top end power they spoke of.
 
I dont know which review youre talking about but Im assuming theyre somewhat leveling the playing field based on price?

GSXRs are dirt cheap, you can get 2 for the price of one 1199s... so of course one would expect the expensive bikes to get more toys.

Are the BMW or Pani twice the bike a GSXR is? Hellllll no.
 
omnivore said:
arsenalrocks...Shaman's point is this:
To date, there has not been one litrebike produced that has more area under the curve than an 05/06 GSXR1000. Every litrebike since makes alittle more peak hp at 13K rpm, but way less hp and torque than the 05/06 GSXR did from 5-10K rpm. BThe 05/06 GSXR is the exact bike that BMW openly admitted they used as a design base for the BMW S1000R. The 05/06 GSXR1000 was the last of the brutal litrebikes that had no rider aids. When Suzuki redesigned it in 07, they gained a few hp up top, and lost 25 at some spots in the midrange. Ridden well, one could compete with brand new machinery in top level racing on one. Other than electronics, there haven't been any jumps in motorcycle technology since the 05/06 GSXR1000. That bike's only real downfall was crappy brakes. The 08+ CBR1000 is probably the closest to midrange drive that's available today.
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I think one of the issues with the 2007 was the addition of more emmision controls. First thing I did was change the exhaust that got rid of the cat and a remap. It was like a different bike with a massive midrange gain.

Both the 2006 and 2007 benefit from a good exhaust

http://www.leesperformance.com/dyno.php?make=Suzuki#
 
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If you read the article, it says that they asked the companies to provide bikes with the most common track modifications. Not sure how that worked exactly, but the only two bikes that came to them stock were the BMW and the MV.
 
Shaman said:
If you read the article, it says that they asked the companies to provide bikes with the most common track modifications. Not sure how that worked exactly, but the only two bikes that came to them stock were the BMW and the MV.
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Hats off the the BMW then.
 
D23 said:
Wow. I'm impressed once again by German engineering. BMW has a self starting mod now. All you have to do is get it wet..... From the s1000rr forum.

I got caught in a thunderstorm and the bike got wet.
After 24 hours of drying the bike now starts itself, all I have to do is turn the key. It's as if the starter switch is stuck on 'ignition'.
Once the bike starts up, the headlights still aren't powered. Also the highbeam switch doesn't work (I don't get a blue light on the dash when its pressed).

Can someone check if the highbeam switch makes a blue light appear when the bike is on, but not running?

If it doesn't appear when the bike is on, but not running, this means the computer is really confused about the state of the bike, and thinks its 'off' even though its running... but its only running because of some shorted start.
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I have 27,000 kms on mine including about 5,000 in rain. only electrical problem I;ve had is the cancel on the turn signal sticks sometimes. WD40 fixes it.
 
Litre bike shootout in this months Roadracing mag had some interesting engine failures. Ducati made a strange demand also. Too bad.
 
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murf said:
Litre bike shootout in this months Roadracing mag had some interesting engine failures. Ducati made a strange demand also. Too bad.
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That review was a total flop. Kawi engine failed as did the Aprilia, their tester (a pro racer) gets fatigued and bows out after an hour, fall back amateur does the testing....GSXR in first or second, or tie for first I think.....pppffffft. Waist of ink and paper. There are 4 or 5 better by a long shot other reviews out there.
 
awyala said:
That review was a total flop. Kawi engine failed as did the Aprilia, their tester (a pro racer) gets fatigued and bows out after an hour, fall back amateur does the testing....GSXR in first or second, or tie for first I think.....pppffffft. Waist of ink and paper. There are 4 or 5 better by a long shot other reviews out there.
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Cmon now, the gsxr was second. The motorcyclist mag that i bought at the same time has the same winner.
 
The only bike mag that I trust is Bike magazine.

Most thorough testing of any bike mag I've read, and they use current and past racers to do their tests most of the time, and usually on world class race tracks.

Their writing style and reporting is second to none.

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Fast Bikes, Bike, and Cycleworld all have good reviews, but all the mags have a criteria flaw here and there. Cycleworld for instance, though using Ben Bostrom to test, uses a short track with no straight, putting the BMW at a handicap. Honda comes out on top in the "cheap bikes" category, then losing to the winner of the "exotics" by a substantial margin, the Aprilia.

They also don't do an all out comparison! Instead, group a vs group b scenario.

As I say, they all have their flaws, but the GSXR!!!! Pffft come on. The Americans have a huge GSXR fetish.
 
Maybe that's because they work... and have been extremely strong in both pro and more especially, club racing, for years.
 
Why is it so hard to believe that a GSXR wins some opinions?

Suzuki have been building bikes for a long time in case you forgot... and GSXR1000s have generally been the bikes that pushed the envelope. K1, K3, and K5 were all awesome bikes.. Other manufacturers were playing catch-up. They're reliable, fast, affordable, and comfortable..I'd say they definitely belong top of the list for street bikes.
 
mmmnaked said:
Why is it so hard to believe that a GSXR wins some opinions?

Suzuki have been building bikes for a long time in case you forgot... and GSXR1000s have generally been the bikes that pushed the envelope. K1, K3, and K5 were all awesome bikes.. Other manufacturers were playing catch-up. They're reliable, fast, affordable, and comfortable..I'd say they definitely belong top of the list for street bikes.
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Oh no doubt, however minor tweaks and no major revamp for a number of years now and all of a sudden they are some sort of dark horse because of some tuning? Sounds like R1 crank shaft hype. A good base? Cheap? Tons of spares? Great service network? Sure ok, but a shootout winner? Now you're stretching it.

Suzuki haven't had a major revamp in years, and their bloating and styling has been in a downward spriral. Couple that with crippling results in MotoGP, SBK, and even AMA!!!! There is no way any of their line is leading the pack. They are becoming the all rounders Kawi were before the '03 revamp and the Honda revamp led by the 600RR.

The GSXR is the North American shoot out pick due to nostalgia, all round blandness and familiarity. And those are all the wrong reasons which go on to stifle competition.

At least Kawi has been putting a serious effort lately, even after the MotoGP pull out and SBK consolidation.

You think the K5 was so dominant that a few tweaks keeps it competitive with the BMW? Sounds to me, we may have some RIM-esque fan-boys about.
 
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Every point your bring up is AMA this, GP that.... are you a pro racer? I don't particularly care which bike goes 1.6 seconds faster than the other, when Im never gonna be bound by a lap-timer on the street.

Racing is marketing...win on sunday, sell on monday. Some people (like you) get suckered by it, others prefer a more sensible and reality-based approach to reviewing bikes.

Ive had 3 gsxrs in my riding career and they were superb street bikes. Comfortable, smooth, reliable, simple to work on, and great power delivery. Whats more to ask for?
 
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S1000RR said:
I have to give credits to BMW for improving so fast, they have become serious title contenders in just a year in WSBK.
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Yes, yes, yesssssss........

Melandri does it again in Spain. :D

He gave Biaggi/Aprilia a run for the money.


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SPOILER!!!!!











FIM Superstock Championship standings:
1. S1000RR, Barrier, 75 points
2. Panigale, La Marra, 74
3. Panigale, Salvadori, 67
4. S1000RR, Baroni, 56
5. S1000RR, Reiterberger, 52
6. ZX10R, Guarnoni, 46

then a gaggle of Kwaks....then a CBR1000RR down in 9th....yada yada yada...an RSV4 in 15th

Downside is rumour has it that Checa may be looking for another ride as he may not be too chuffed with the Pani.

Drama!

 
Uhm... Checa isn't in FIM superstock... and in those races, the rider usually makes more difference than the bike. Just like you can see guys on 5+ year old bikes in contention in R.A.C.E.

Buy whatever blows your hair back. I'm over having just the fastest straight-line bike.
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