Pain in the *** routine maintenance jobs.

[Wingboy]

Why do i always pick bikes that are a pain to service?My Wing is fortunately super reliable and easy to change fluids on.But changing the air filter takes the better part of an afternoon.I miss my old BMW airhead....clik clik...swap out...clik clik...done.
Now my new 2 stroke Ossa trialer is designed with all the electronics (it's fuel injected) inside the top of the airbox.The airbox is sandwiched between the gas tank and the radiator.
I love new technology for all it's perfomance and weight savings.But i miss the old stuff.

 

[crankcall]

if your bored and miss your old air head come over here and fix the Bing carbs on my 75/5.
Everything is wide open and easy to work on, its just the crazy German Bing carbs that are a total pain.

As my daughter says "1st world problems" ............

 

[dricked]

Why do i always pick bikes that are a pain to service?My Wing is fortunately super reliable and easy to change fluids on.But changing the air filter takes the better part of an afternoon.I miss my old BMW airhead....clik clik...swap out...clik clik...done.
Now my new 2 stroke Ossa trialer is designed with all the electronics (it's fuel injected) inside the top of the airbox.The airbox is sandwiched between the gas tank and the radiator.
I love new technology for all it's perfomance and weight savings.But i miss the old stuff.

Wait, did you say fuel injected 2s??!!!

 

[Wingboy]

Wait, did you say fuel injected 2s??!!!

Yup.The technology in this little 280cc Ossa is awesome.

Left to right,fuel tank...airbox with temp sensor and throttle body...radiator...rear tilted cylinder.

 

[BNKN]

Why do i always pick bikes that are a pain to service?My Wing is fortunately super reliable and easy to change fluids on.But changing the air filter takes the better part of an afternoon.I miss my old BMW airhead....

Are there any bikes that aren't a pain to service anymore? It's a shame really that it's come to this. I almost think it's a conspiracy by the OEMs.
I picked my Bonneville SE primarily for it's easy to work on simple tech. It still meets pollution laws, so why can't other OEMs provide a line of simple models?
Of course I give up speed and comfort on the Bonnie but simple tech could still supply all of that, that one would need.
The whole retro foof with Bonnevilles and the like is not the selling feature, the simplicity is.
I remember the big outcry when BMW went to the oilhead and fancy electrics, boy they sure screwed that up. They literally sold dozens of airhead per year in Canada. Look where they are now with all that fancyshmancy tech.

 

[Flywheel]

Most vehicles are designed to be easily ASSEMBLED in the factory, not easily serviced. That Ossa is a real sandwich though.

The big Burg's is pretty simple. Open glove box, pry off plastic panel, 4 captive screws on a fuse panel, pull away and voila! Slide out old one, slide in new one. 5 minutes, 1 screwdriver.

Anything else is a regular nuisance unfortunately.

 

[slowbird]

Removing the Tank from my old bikes was real easy....my 97 VFR is a huge PITA.

On the flipside, doing chain adjustments, rear wheel removals and the like are much easier on my 97 with the SSSA

 

[dricked]

Yup.The technology in this little 280cc Ossa is awesome.

Left to right,fuel tank...airbox with temp sensor and throttle body...radiator...rear tilted cylinder.

Awesome!!! I hope this technology makes it to MX bikes, I REALLY want a FI SX250

 

[toysareforboys]

Now my new 2 stroke Ossa trialer

Do you have any specs on the engine? HP/Torque and what's the redline/rev limiter at?

-Jamie M.

 

[Wingboy]

Do you have any specs on the engine? HP/Torque and what's the redline/rev limiter at?

-Jamie M.

No idea (google didn't find anything).I would like to see a torque curve.Took it out in the snow/ice/mud this afternoon.The front comes up as easy as thinking about it up to 4th gear.Hmmm,i didn't get it into 5th or 6th.Played with a 4ft pile of boulders for a while.1st,2nd or 3rd gear.It didn't care.The throttle response is the sharpest of any bike i've ever ridden.

 

[toysareforboys]

No idea (google didn't find anything).I would like to see a torque curve.Took it out in the snow/ice/mud this afternoon.The front comes up as easy as thinking about it up to 4th gear.Hmmm,i didn't get it into 5th or 6th.Played with a 4ft pile of boulders for a while.1st,2nd or 3rd gear.It didn't care.The throttle response is the sharpest of any bike i've ever ridden.

I asked goggle too and they couldn't find anything.

There's a free dyno day coming up, would love to see it run on there.

Does it have a RPM gauge? Where's the red line start?

-Jamie M.

 

[Wingboy]

I asked goggle too and they couldn't find anything.

There's a free dyno day coming up, would love to see it run on there.

Does it have a RPM gauge? Where's the red line start?

-Jamie M.

It runs Michelin X-Lite tires.Very soft rubber with little sidewall support.Doubt they would do well on a dyno.No gauges,redline is prolly up around 12k.Just guessing.I do know that the compression is way up there.Uggghhh.

 

[toysareforboys]

It runs Michelin X-Lite tires.Very soft rubber with little sidewall support.Doubt they would do well on a dyno.No gauges,redline is prolly up around 12k.Just guessing.I do know that the compression is way up there.Uggghhh.

Sounds like fun, thanks for the info

-Jamie M.

 

[motojunky]

Do you have any specs on the engine? HP/Torque and what's the redline/rev limiter at?

-Jamie M.

Trials bike generally have very low HP numbers (12-15) but the torque numbers a pretty good. There not fast at all with top speeds of about 100 km/hr. With trials bikes its not so much the power output but the weight of the flywheel. To get up big obstacles you use the enertia of the spinning flywheel as apposed to the power of the motor... That's why you rev the snot out of them and drop the clutch.

 

[toysareforboys]

Trials bike generally have very low HP numbers (12-15) but the torque numbers a pretty good. There not fast at all with top speeds of about 100 km/hr. With trials bikes its not so much the power output but the weight of the flywheel. To get up big obstacles you use the enertia of the spinning flywheel as apposed to the power of the motor... That's why you rev the snot out of them and drop the clutch.

Epic first post in 5 years, but thanks for the info Got an e-mail from Ossa that the new 300i is 24 hp and "gobs and gobs of torque"

-Jamie M.

 

[rmemedic]

Awesome!!! I hope this technology makes it to MX bikes, I REALLY want a FI SX250

Ha, I was just thinking the same thing...

And don't you worry, I say in the next 4 years we have a direct injected 2 stroke... BRP has the tech and the ability, it's worth some big $$$$, eventually one of the manufacturers will bring forward the cash to get it in their bikes. There is at least one privately built 2 stroke FI bike that I saw a video of and it looked really well done. YZ250 in a YZ450F frame I think it was.
Probably see if before the YZ250F gets FI lol.

 

[N3WMAN]

There is at least one privately built 2 stroke FI bike that I saw a video of and it looked really well done. YZ250 in a YZ450F frame I think it was.
Probably see if before the YZ250F gets FI lol.

Some yob's threw a CR500 motor in a YZ450 frame and Fuel Injected it.
[video=youtube;tNAtmKzqo9A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAtmKzqo9A[/video]

As far as maintenance, all the newer bikes are 10 pounds of kit in a 5 pound bag. Every year is more stuff and less weight. They have to cram it all in there somehow.

 

[rmemedic]

Some yob's threw a CR500 motor in a YZ450 frame and Fuel Injected it.
[video=youtube;tNAtmKzqo9A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAtmKzqo9A[/video]

As far as maintenance, all the newer bikes are 10 pounds of kit in a 5 pound bag. Every year is more stuff and less weight. They have to cram it all in there somehow.

Dang, that's the bike I was thinking about... I also had this one in my brain, so that's where the YZ250 motor must have came from:
http://twostrokemotocross.com/2012/11/tci-performance-project-yz-250r-details-and-gallery/
So far this one is still carbed, but they said that when they get the bike dialed, they will eventually start working on FI for it.

 

[dricked]

The thing I hate doing most for maintanence is air filters on the MX bike (because you have to do them every ride) and there's nothing on the race bike I mind doing, body work is off in less than 2min. Ok tire changes on the race bike, they get annoying but I've got a good technique now so it's a bit easier.

A fuel injected CR500 would be frickin awesome!! I couldn't imagine trying to hang on to that for 20min + 1 lap, arm pump to the max!

 

[Wingboy]

I found another oddity on my new Ossa.A look at the tiny front brake reservoir shows the usual dot4 warning.

And the clutch reservoir says......HUH? Mineral oil?