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Yep, then they spend $$$ after the fact fixing these selling "features".

Africa Twin forums are full of people asking about 19" front wheel conversions because they realize they don't need a 21" front because they never ride over logs or in deep sand, and realize that the larger front wheel is a hindrance in tight turns, slower steering, etc. on road.
ADVrider forums are full of people asking about lowering their too-tall ADV bikes because they don't need the suspension travel or clearance... again... on-road.

If you're into the ADV looks but you won't ride off-road, there are so many faux-ADV bikes to choose from, the MTS, the S1KXR, KTM SA (non-R) ,Versys, Tiger Sport, etc. All the on-road benefits of ADV bikes: the rider triangle, the carrying capacity, AND they are kitted out for *exactly* the way you ride. But less popular because not enough dirt-cred, I guess...

Similarly with supermotos. Trying to re-gear for lower highway RPMs's without losing all the bottom end, figuring out how to carry more fuel outside the gas tank, installing aftermarket seats. Most people think they want to go full-motard until they actually have to live with one. Ducati knew what they were doing when they made the Hypermotard, same with KTM/Husky with the 690 SMCR/701 SM.

 

[Lightcycle]

Similarly with supermotos. Trying to re-gear for lower highway RPMs's without losing all the bottom end, figuring out how to carry more fuel outside the gas tank, installing aftermarket seats. Most people think they want to go full-motard until they actually have to live with one. Ducati knew what they were doing when they made the Hypermotard, same with KTM/Husky with the 690 SMCR/701 SM.

Also sportbikes as well: convertibars to raise the clip-ons, lowered foot pegs for more leg-room (compromising lean angle), huge double-bubble windshield, top-case rack...

OMG just get a sport-touring motorcycle.

 

[Jampy00]

people who try to mod their bikes to that extent did not buy the right one in the first place.

100% agree and I've seen it many times, This is why I switched, I wanted something a little more versatile and dare say convenient.

 

[matt365]

There is no perfect bike.

Reading reviews only gets you so far.

Find some like minded friends. Try their bikes (you break it, you bought it). Thats the only way to have a proper "informed opinion" on a bike.

Try as many as you can.

Then buy multiple bikes, there is no "jack of all".

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[Evoex]

Then buy multiple bikes, there is no "jack of all".

Mission Complete.

 

[Jampy00]

There is no perfect bike.

Reading reviews only gets you so far.

Find some like minded friends. Try their bikes (you break it, you bought it). Thats the only way to have a proper "informed opinion" on a bike.

Try as many as you can.

Then buy multiple bikes, there is no "jack of all".

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Perfect advise for the young ballerz

 

[matt365]

Perfect advise for the young ballerz

Younger riders are lucky to afford anything.

The Ballerz, aka Evoex and BigPoppa bought brand new bikes.

No thanks...

My two bikes together are worth under $10 grand...

A new HD Pan-America is what? $26,000?

I'd love to try one. It'd be a great gravel road capable tourer... but I wouldn't want to attempt actual offloading on something that size.


For me?:
I'd rather have a small displacement dual sport for smashing gravel roads, jeep and atv trails, and single track.

And a sportier streetbike that takes corners like its on rails.

(Or a sport tourer if you like to go long distance).

Cheaper, and older (as long as you have some form of mechanical ability) have worked out for me.

Cheap ugly bikes are also theft prevention. I was never worried about my 20 year old Honda vtr1000f with nearly 100,000km, that looked like I painted it with a roller... she was mechanically sound, and moved real well.



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[Jampy00]

Younger riders are lucky to afford anything.

The Ballerz, aka Evoex and BigPoppa bought brand new bikes.

No thanks...

My two bikes together are worth under $10 grand...

A new HD Pan-America is what? $26,000?

I'd love to try one. It'd be a great gravel road capable tourer... but I wouldn't want to attempt actual offloading on something that size.


For me?:
I'd rather have a small displacement dual sport for smashing gravel roads, jeep and atv trails, and single track.

And a sportier streetbike that takes corners like its on rails.

(Or a sport tourer if you like to go long distance).

Cheaper, and older (as long as you have some form of mechanical ability) have worked out for me.

Cheap ugly bikes are also theft prevention. I was never worried about my 20 year old Honda vtr1000f with nearly 100,000km, that looked like I painted it with a roller... she was mechanically sound, and moved real well.



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Yeah, I hear the exact same thing from everyone that owns a older bike.
Me I'm at the stage in life that I get what I want (as long as I can afford it).

My attitude is and has always been, ride what you want. New, old, or in between. If you're happy, then I am happy.

 

[matt365]

Yeah, I hear the exact same thing from everyone that owns a older bike.
Me I'm at the stage in life that I get what I want (as long as I can afford it).

My attitude is and has always been, ride what you want. New, old, or in between. If you're happy, then I am happy.

Agreed.

Pretty sure you live only a few blocks away from me.

If you're interested in grabbing some coffee, or going for a ride, I'd like to see the new Pan-America

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[Jampy00]

Agreed.

Pretty sure you live only a few blocks away from me.

If you're interested in grabbing some coffee, or going for a ride, I'd like to see the new Pan-America

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As I ride a HD it is mandatory that I park it at every Tim Hortons I see, so happy to grab a coffee.
My company in the same building as Twin Seasons so if your bored stop by. DM me if you want the details.

 

[Lightcycle]

I'd rather have a small displacement dual sport for smashing gravel roads, jeep and atv trails, and single track.

+1

80% of the time I leave home, I'm grabbing the dual sport. You don't have to be going 200 km/h to have fun and when you fall off as often as I do, there's minimal consequence to body and bike.

Compare this to every time I crash on the track, it was a guaranteed minimum 4 figure fix... My riding buddies gave me a valuable tip:

"Maybe try low-siding instead of high-siding all the time?"

okay, I'll get right on that...

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