Opinion on Gear selection

I'm just starting riding this year and I'm one for not cheaping out on gear.

Here's what I bought:

Joe rocket ballistic 12.0 jacket
Alter ego 12.0 pants
Alpine stars smx boots
Aria signet-q helmet
2 pairs of gloves (1 gauntlet - Joe rocket and 1 short five gloves)
 
My opinion is that if you're going to buy gear, you might as well buy as close as you can get to the most protection available. Leather offers far better protection than mesh, gauntlet's protect better than shorties, and most boots are **** and dont protect your ankle's worth a damn whereas the dainese do.

I agree with the first part here, but the second not so much (keep in mind that I also don't have any high-speed crash experience, so below is only my 0.02)

OP, you gotta decide what type of riding & environments you plan on riding through before you select your gear. I mostly commute to work, and use the bike as an alternative mode of transportation - very few "just for pleasure" rides. Sure, I might detour to take a longer/better road, but the point here is that 99% of the time I get on it, I have somewhere to go, and need to walk around/do stuff when I get there.

That being said:
Jacket: Don't front on leathers. Get one that has lots of "zippered" vents - they are AWESOME (and also surprisingly rare). Joe Rocket (not the best brand, but) in my experience has really well-placed vents.

Gloves: Make sure it covers the wrist bone - I have "shorties", but they extend into my jacket and cover my wrist bone. They're Rev'It Monsters.

Helmet: Try on as many as you can. Buy the most expensive one that fits properly. Don't shop online for one unless you KNOW your size/brand/model already.

Pants: I mostly wear jeans, because I mostly commute. This year I finally grabbed some kevlar heavy jeans, but I also ALWAYS wear knee/shin protection underneath them: Dainese makes the best knee/shin guards I've ever tried (and I've tried on a lot of them).

Boots: I ride with the Alpinestar SMX-2 boots. Sure, they're not as beefy as the Dainese Torque's, but they're FAR BETTER than regular shoes: There are plates in the sides covering the major ankle bone joints, no laces to get caught on shifter, have oil-resistant soles, and a metal "shank" in the sole for rigidity. It's a compromise I can live with, especially if you consider the fact that the ONLY boots that will give you total protection are expensive, and basically mimic ski boots.

N3wman: I'm one of those pesky people that likes to know why someone has a particular opinion.

Slow1/bboySushi: Like I said I'm window shopping and asking for opinions so those are likely not the final choices. I definitely want a bluetooth integrated helmet though especially since I like music and will be getting a GPS unless people want to see a news story about a rider who got lost 3 blocks from his house. :lmao:

Are you new to the area? Then I agree with GPS... but if you're not, practice looking at the directions to somewhere right before you leave. You'll get better at it, and realize that all the people relying on GPS all the time are probably losing a vital skill (this requires some familiarity with the city you're in, though)

Hope this helps. G/L
 
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Are you new to the area? Then I agree with GPS... but if you're not, practice looking at the directions to somewhere right before you leave. You'll get better at it, and realize that all the people relying on GPS all the time are probably losing a vital skill (this requires some familiarity with the city you're in, though)

Hope this helps. G/L

agree 100%. better to map out route first then focus on ride with map in your head. it would really suck getting caught looking at gps while something was happening around you.
 
I wouldn't be looking at the GPS though just listening to instructions, hence why I want Bluetooth in the helmet.

To be honest as a newbie rider I'd rather focus on all the other stuff that you have to focus on when on a motorcycle rather than trying to remember a map so having that little voice that says in 200 meters turn right is one load off my brain.

Plus this is for when I'm going to places I'm not familiar with, commute to work is pretty well known by now. :P

Anyway I can wait a few months for that piece of gear since I can't go on highways until June 1st anyway :P
 
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I agree with the first part here, but the second not so much (keep in mind that I also don't have any high-speed crash experience, so below is only my 0.02)

OP, you gotta decide what type of riding & environments you plan on riding through before you select your gear. I mostly commute to work, and use the bike as an alternative mode of transportation - very few "just for pleasure" rides. Sure, I might detour to take a longer/better road, but the point here is that 99% of the time I get on it, I have somewhere to go, and need to walk around/do stuff when I get there.

That being said:
Jacket: Don't front on leathers. Get one that has lots of "zippered" vents - they are AWESOME (and also surprisingly rare). Joe Rocket (not the best brand, but) in my experience has really well-placed vents.

Gloves: Make sure it covers the wrist bone - I have "shorties", but they extend into my jacket and cover my wrist bone. They're Rev'It Monsters.

Helmet: Try on as many as you can. Buy the most expensive one that fits properly. Don't shop online for one unless you KNOW your size/brand/model already.

Pants: I mostly wear jeans, because I mostly commute. This year I finally grabbed some kevlar heavy jeans, but I also ALWAYS wear knee/shin protection underneath them: Dainese makes the best knee/shin guards I've ever tried (and I've tried on a lot of them).

Boots: I ride with the Alpinestar SMX-2 boots. Sure, they're not as beefy as the Dainese Torque's, but they're FAR BETTER than regular shoes: There are plates in the sides covering the major ankle bone joints, no laces to get caught on shifter, have oil-resistant soles, and a metal "shank" in the sole for rigidity. It's a compromise I can live with, especially if you consider the fact that the ONLY boots that will give you total protection are expensive, and basically mimic ski boots.



Are you new to the area? Then I agree with GPS... but if you're not, practice looking at the directions to somewhere right before you leave. You'll get better at it, and realize that all the people relying on GPS all the time are probably losing a vital skill (this requires some familiarity with the city you're in, though)

Hope this helps. G/L
So you've never had a bad crash, but are recommending protective gear?

Leather protects better than anything else. If you're commuting on the highway at any point you have the possibility to hit the pavement at 100km/h+ which will tear a textile jacket to bits. If the jacket survives it will need replacement. Leather can be worn again, and in most cases repaired if it is damaged. If you want ventilation get a perforated leather jacket.

The problem with shortie gloves, even if they cover your wrist bone, is that they don't cover the end of your sleeve which creates the possibility of your sleeve getting caught and pulled up your arm in a slide exposing your forearm to rash. Gauntlet's are no less functional than a shortie, so why compromise on protection?

Your helmet advice is just stupid. Proper fit is essential, but price has nothing to do with it. A $300 DOT/SNELL or DOT/ECE helmet is going to protect just as well as a $1000 DOT/SNELL or DOT/ECE helmet. If you really want to check out what helmets protect better go to the sharp website (http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/). They rate helmets on a scale of 1-5 and show you how the helmet's fair in each test(front, back, side impact), instead of the simple pass/fail of the DOT/SNELL/ECE standards. Many of the most expensive ARAIs from years past perform pretty poorly in their tests.

I can understand why you wear jeans to work. However, as mentioned earlier, at highway speed they aren't going to do anything to protect you. Kevlar reinforced jeans are definitely better but their main failure point is actual impact. The initial impact onto the ground usually causes them to tear. It is a crap shoot at best. If you do wear jeans, wearing a separate knee protector as you mentioned is a good idea as the built-in one's featured is some of the kevlar jeans just move out of the way in a crash.

I cant understand the thinking behind buying an SMX-2. If you're going to buy a riding specific boot, why not buy something that is actually going to work? Yes, proper boots are expensive. No, they aren't like Ski boots(Except for SIDIs). As I mentioned earlier, Dainese boots are incredibly comfortable, more than your average shoe. You could walk in them all day and not have sore feet because of the boots.

I am recommending gear with a no compromise approach. I have seen enough people hurt because of the lack or proper gear that I can't recommend anything less than the best. I recommend gear that has been proven to work many times over. Yes, good gear is expensive. If you want to put a price on your safety, good for you. If you are OK with a compromise in safety for whatever reasons you have, good for you. I'd rather put my money into saving my life and limbs.
 
So you've never had a bad crash, but are recommending protective gear?

Have you? And if so, what did you crash in and how did it help you? What would you have worn that you didnt?
Leather protects better than anything else.

I said: "Don't front on leather" which means, "Get leather". Thanks for the rant.

The problem with shortie gloves, even if they cover your wrist bone, is that they don't cover the end of your sleeve which creates the possibility of your sleeve getting caught and pulled up your arm in a slide exposing your forearm to rash. Gauntlet's are no less functional than a shortie, so why compromise on protection?

Anything short of a full gauntlet glove is a compromise - I can live with it, and based on how many are available out there, I guess other people can, too.

Your helmet advice is just stupid.

Why? I didn't disagree with anything you posted before, or even now after you've posted a reply. LMAOtroll.

Spending more on a helmet usually equates to it being lighter, better vented and aerodynamic - definitely not safer. I read somewhere that the ECE standards organization was trying to prove that the SNELL tests are, in fact, TOO violent/harsh, which resulted in helmets that transferred too much force within a short period of time (impact) to the user. I think it was that LONG helmet-safety article from a few years back. Either way, I can't argue you here, because I don't disagree (with everything else that was logical, obv.).

I cant understand the thinking behind buying an SMX-2.

Then re-read my last post about them, I was pretty succinct in my "safety compromise" description. I am of the opinion that ANY boot specifically designed for riding will be better than a shoe that was not. I could be wrong tho, I am an arm-chair specialist hard at work, here.

I am recommending gear with a no compromise approach.

Great. I am recommending gear based on MY COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE approach. Personally, I believe the BEST thing you can do in terms of safety is to ride safely and defensively. Regardless of what gear you have on; it still may or may not save your life & limbs, depending on the crash. NOTHING is guaranteed, IMO. We all buy and ride with gear that will make us "feel" safe - which inspires confidence in ourselves so that we're not afraid. The fear of harm is definitely something that differs from person to person.
 
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Op, get out to the shops and check some things out. Make sure you're comfortable. As said, nothing is cheap and what is usually you wouldn't want to trust in the event of an accident. That's it.
 
While I am sure that daily commute would be fine without music and GPS, I am also fairly certain I would both get lost and go insane on a ride to Montreal without GPS and music. That's something I plan to do as soon as I am comfortable enough with the bike.


With the classes a month away I'm wondering if I should buy my gear and bike now or wait till after. I'd be able to practice a bit at the very least at the local mall. I have to buy the gear before the classes anyway.


o0ollo0o: I'm not planning on buying online, Gpbikes in whitby has the baby I want so I figured finance it and the gear in one shot so it's definitely going to be a try before buy, Do you also have the pants that go with the jacket?


sooner you get your gear, the sooner you ride.

as for getting lost, there are very few good GPS unit's out there for riding. Maybe you have a decent one already, but i can assume they aint cheap. Specially if you are using the voice commands and such.

I just stop on the side of the road and check my phone gps...never had a problem inside of ontario/usa so far.

save that gps and bluetooth cash and get better gear! your body will thank you..not just the safety, the comfort and function!

do not focus on this gps crap, its just another distraction...when riding you want to get lost :)
 
Have you? And if so, what did you crash in and how did it help you? What would you have worn that you didnt?
Yes I have. Wearing a 2-pc suit(with back protector), gauntet gloves, dainese boots(my ankle was run over in the crash), and a DOT/ECE helmet. I sustained no injuries as a result. My helmet needed replacement and I still wear the same suit, gloves, and boots today.

Anything short of a full gauntlet glove is a compromise - I can live with it, and based on how many are available out there, I guess other people can, too.
But why? What advantage does it have?

Why? I didn't disagree with anything you posted before, or even now after you've posted a reply. LMAOtroll.
Because it is a blanket statement that spending more money = better.

Spending more on a helmet usually equates to it being lighter, better vented and aerodynamic - definitely not safer. I read somewhere that the ECE standards organization was trying to prove that the SNELL tests are, in fact, TOO violent/harsh, which resulted in helmets that transferred too much force within a short period of time (impact) to the user. I think it was that LONG helmet-safety article from a few years back. Either way, I can't argue you here, because I don't disagree (with everything else that was logical, obv.).
Yes there was an article about it a while back. So what?

Then re-read my last post about them, I was pretty succinct in my "safety compromise" description. I am of the opinion that ANY boot specifically designed for riding will be better than a shoe that was not. I could be wrong tho, I am an arm-chair specialist hard at work, here.
I just cant understand your safety comprimises. With both the gloves and the boots there is no hindrance between what you're using and something more protective. So why do it?

Great. I am recommending gear based on MY COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE approach. Personally, I believe the BEST thing you can do in terms of safety is to ride safely and defensively. Regardless of what gear you have on; it still may or may not save your life & limbs, depending on the crash. NOTHING is guaranteed, IMO. We all buy and ride with gear that will make us "feel" safe - which inspires confidence in ourselves so that we're not afraid. The fear of harm is definitely something that differs from person to person.
You can be the best rider in the world and still get taken out by some idiot who wasn't paying attention. All I am suggesting is for the OP to look into the best protection available. It is up to him to decide what compromises he can live with.
 
The biggest difference between boots is ankle protection. Anybody can make a leather boot. Only a few of them actually have ankle protection that works. Grab any boot your thinking of buying and try and bend it horizontally at the ankle. Most will fold over like a wet noodle.

I recommend the Dainese as do a lot of other because the ankle protection works, they are reasonably price(compared to the competition), comfortable as hell, and will last forever.

Other boots to consider with proper ankle protection are Alpinstars SMX-Plus, Supertech R, Daytona Evo, SIDI ST, and Vortice.

+1. Ankles and feet got so many tiny delicate parts mixing tendons, bones and ligaments, it's a ***** to fix even with minor injuries.

Gauntlet gloves - you need your hands to ride, and do other things in life
Boots - you need your ankle to work properly to shift, also to bear weight, and to walk.
Back protector - spinal injuries have long lasting consequences

Get the best protection you can afford.

And yes, motorcycling is not cheap and it doesn't save you money if you want to be protected.

You can always go squid. You just hope that should crashes happen, you know you've done all you can to minimize injuries instead of regretting like, "oh man, wish I spend that extra $50 to cover that body part".
 
I'm kind of between both perspectives here. I've been fortunate enough not to go down yet, touch wood.

I do have some textile gear (Joe Rocket Ballistic) that I wear when it's colder. It's not mesh, and the seams are double-stitched. If it's nice enough, I do have a (very fugly) old 2-piece zip-together perforated leather suit. I have a mesh jacket, but keep it for in-town rides only.

I found a blog that has some entries about how textile/mesh gear does in crashes. It looks like at high speed, textile can wear through, but melting seemed pretty rare. http://dontai.com/wp/2010/06/03/does-motorcycle-mesh-gear-melt-in-a-crash/. The general theme seems to be that textile can wear, but generally doesn't burn the wearer. Honestly, if a jacket wears in a crash and is un-useable after, I have no problem replacing it.

As far as boots go, I think you'd get some protection by having your ankles and lower legs tightly covered and supported by a few layers of leather. I agree that the best is to have plastic covering the outside and inside ankle bones, but typical leather used for boots (full grain - about 1.2-1.4mm) does have some bending and penetration resistance. Doubt it would stand up to being run over, but it would protect you from abrasion, contact with the motorcycle or other objects, and take care of some torsion on the ankle.

I don't dispute that full leathers, and boots with rigid/hard plastic ankle support, are more protective and are the best possible choice. Next time I buy boots, will definitely look closer at more rigid ones. However, I think that something's better than nothing. I think people are safer in full textile with a so-so (but approved) helmet, boots and gloves vs. riding around in a t-shirt with a Shoei X-11 helmet, for instance.
 
Yes I have. Wearing a 2-pc suit(with back protector), gauntet gloves, dainese boots(my ankle was run over in the crash), and a DOT/ECE helmet. I sustained no injuries as a result. My helmet needed replacement and I still wear the same suit, gloves, and boots today.

That is excellent news. +1 for the ATGATT crew.

What kind of back protector did you use? One you wear separately under the jacket, or insert into the suit? I have one in my jacket, and for a long time I've wanted to upgrade it, but I don't know how much better it'll be than the current one (which feels pretty useless)

The only advantages of compromising complete & total protection in your gear are cost, comfort and convenience. All which are totally subjective. I mean, we could just ride around in chainmail suits, right?

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Yes there was an article about it a while back. So what?

Better in terms of comfort/venting, but NOT in terms of safety. The article I was referring to states that lots of Helmet mfr.'s spend good $$ trying to get SNELL certification (which trickles down into the cost of their helmets) BUT the article actually showed test data proving that the cheaper helmets which didn't have SNELL certification were safer (by inflicting less impact to the rider's head).

You can be the best rider in the world and still get taken out by some idiot who wasn't paying attention.

Agreed 100%. I also have paramedic friends that tell tell me "All one-piece suits do for motorcyclists is contain the mess" LOL

A part of me believes that the best rider in the world would probably see that moron not paying attention and react accordingly :p But I could die in my cage driving home tonight, so c'est la vie.

Really though; thanks for your input on gauntlet gloves - I never considered my sleeve getting caught on something during a crash. With my gloves on, a hoody (which is 90% of the time, cuz I'm always cold) and my wrist zippers closed the fit is pretty tight around my wrist bone - but gauntlets would undoubtedly be better
 
The only advantages of compromising complete & total protection in your gear are cost, comfort and convenience. All which are totally subjective. I mean, we could just ride around in chainmail suits, right?

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Not to be "that guy" but this is plate mail
 
Anyways, back to the point of this thread - I'd urge a new rider to get the following gear:

  • A helmet that fits snugly out of the box, and gets more than three stars from the SHARP helmet test. Cool graphics are also a must;
  • A set of leather gloves with full gauntlets and hardened plastic/armor sections;
  • A textile or leather jacket. If a textile jacket, something with more than 600 denier. Either jacket should have built-in armor;
  • A set of pants, leather or textile. Padding is preferable, but it's still best to wear knee pads underneath;
  • A set of boots which cover the ankle. Bonus points for boots with hard plastic or reinforcement over the ankle area;
  • A back protector is a good idea and would be a next step. I believe they're mandatory on track days.

Personally, I always ride in a helmet, gloves, a jacket and boots. If it's a trip that I know will involve highway travel, I'll wear reinforced pants too. I feel comfortable with the level of protection from quality textile gear, but I also own a perf leather suit I wear when it's warmer and when I know I'll be taking corners hard.

I've also started wearing around a hi-viz vest over my jacket. (One of these: http://www.rei.com/product/772529/amphipod-xinglet). It's not sexy, but I tend to get a bit more of driver's attention when wearing it.
 
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Can't emphasize this one enough, saves hundreds. For helmet and boots, try a ton on and get the ones that feel best. Can't comment on GPS because I'm not dumb enough to get so lost I can't figure out how to get unlost. I don't understand people that need GPS at all. People floated around the entire planet without it and still found their way home!

I've been suggesting Jimmy's Velocity package deal quite a bit around here so here we go again... $600 for pretty much everything you need OP except boots.
 
That is excellent news. +1 for the ATGATT crew.

What kind of back protector did you use? One you wear separately under the jacket, or insert into the suit? I have one in my jacket, and for a long time I've wanted to upgrade it, but I don't know how much better it'll be than the current one (which feels pretty useless
I have both an in-jacket one and a seperate one. I had the in-jacket one in at the time. It is a KNOX Advance X which is rated for CE Level 1, an upgrade over what would have come in the jacket off the shelf.

Not to be "that guy" but this is plate mail
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Helmet - Never heard of that brand, and music should be last thing on your mind when getting one.

Jacket - Icon jackets for most part dont have a zipper. Not a big deal now, will get annoying when your *** is exposed and you need to keep pulling over to tuck your shirt into your pants. Get joe rocket with a zipper and pants that also have a zipper.

Pants - same as above, get one with zipper. joe rocket stuff usually has em and goes well together

Gloves - get full wrist ones, you'll thank me if you ever go down

Boots - like others have said, get real ones.
 
Yes I have. Wearing a 2-pc suit(with back protector), gauntet gloves, dainese boots(my ankle was run over in the crash), and a DOT/ECE helmet. I sustained no injuries as a result. My helmet needed replacement and I still wear the same suit, gloves, and boots today.

How does that make synthetic a bad choice? Plenty of people have crashed in synthetic and were adequately protected.
 
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