Opinion on 2011 Z10R /w ABS

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caboose483 said:
There's no such thing as track insurance.

Just because you can do 165kph in 1st gear doesn't you mean you have to be in 1st gear all the time. I'd usually ride around in 3rd or 4th gear in town. The good thing about a liter bike is that you can loaf around town at 3500rpm and it won't fall on its face like a 600 will.



Lol.. look at this guy tryin to get up my face!

A good rider on a 250 will be faster than a bad rider on a 1000. A good rider on a 600 will be faster than a bad rider on a 1000. A good rider on a 1000 will be faster than a good rider on anything else.

The 1000s can be extremely unforgiving but for those who are able to ride them well, they are hilariously fun bikes to ride and are perfectly capable of being as fast or faster than anything else in the tight stuff.
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Someone who actually knows of what he/she speaks!

Anyone trying to rationalize why some other bike is more practical than a 1000cc superbike is full of crap. The reality is that NO motorcycle is practical. If you want practical, buy a Ford Fiesta. Now, once we realize that none of us are making practical choices, buy what moves your soul that won't land you in the morgue.

I prefer the pull of 1000cc's over the pull of 600. For me it has nothing to do with the relative top ends or which will flick through a corner better in the hands of a professional racer. My bike handles just fine for me, thanks.

And just for the record, I never take my bike out of first gear as I know I can stay within the speed limit if I do (well, almost, on the 401). Though I do have tremendous fun riding it at whatever speeds.
 
Brian P said:
They are designed for very experienced riders, and increasingly, they are designed for racetrack use.

If you have no racetrack experience, you have no business being on that bike with so little experience under your belt.
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Its a street bike for **** sakes! Yes it may have had the race track heavily in mind while being engineered, but it comes with headlights, signals, mirrors, reflectors, plate mount, passenger pegs and seat...You have to convert it into a track or race bike, not the other way around...

Not saying this guy needs or can handle a 1000, but sport bike development rely on street riders and their non sponsored purchases. There just isnt enough money in track or race bike sales to fund a newly developed "sport bike" every 2-4 years...Its not a 500cc GP bike, it has its place on the street just as much a Ninja 250

If I had to guess Id say at least %75 of production ends up on the street, without that there wouldnt be new bikes every couple of years....
 
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Sure, sport bike development relies on sales to street riders. But still ... they're not designed to accommodate the hamfisted moves that an inexperienced rider is likely to make at the controls. The ABS will bail out *some* boneheaded moves, but it won't help the rider who hasn't developed the fine motor skills that it takes to hold the throttle precisely 0.037" open - not 0.036" and not 0.038" - in order to maintain city-traffic speed on a bike like that ...
 
The last stat I saw was that only 10% of the bikes see the track.
I don't think you need to have throttle control to the precision Brian is talking about for moderate street riding.....the faster you go the more precise it needs to be but that TC can handle alot. I bought a new zx7 when I was 17 and survived, but you have to know yourself and your talent level.
 
Finally, I dropped off the fairings on the 250 for repair, 3 weeks to wait...

Now, considering what you all said, I had a chance to look at at ZX-6R ; I guess this would be something much more fit than the ZX-10R ... Price difference is as follows (out the door /w taxes, ready to ride, including license - transfer for me since mine is still valid from the EX250):


ZX-10R - 18530.87 (320.00 month)
ZX-6R - 13767.92 (270.00 month)
Ninja 650R - 9038.00 (170.00 month)

I think I might consider the ZX-6R, one thing I like to change, is the front mirrors of ZX-6R, replace them with the ZX-10R mirrors, and have a streak-line blue LED across replaced, of course, getting the black one, not a fan of the green colour ... I wonder why the colour options are so limited....
 
gobu said:
Finally, I dropped off the fairings on the 250 for repair, 3 weeks to wait...

Now, considering what you all said, I had a chance to look at at ZX-6R ; I guess this would be something much more fit than the ZX-10R ... Price difference is as follows (out the door /w taxes, ready to ride, including license - transfer for me since mine is still valid from the EX250):


ZX-10R - 18530.87 (320.00 month)
ZX-6R - 13767.92 (270.00 month)
Ninja 650R - 9038.00 (170.00 month)

I think I might consider the ZX-6R, one thing I like to change, is the front mirrors of ZX-6R, replace them with the ZX-10R mirrors, and have a streak-line blue LED across replaced, of course, getting the black one, not a fan of the green colour ... I wonder why the colour options are so limited....
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find a 2010 model you'll get it out the door less than $10k
 
mmmnaked said:
It's a ZX-10R. Quite frankly its a little disconcerting that you don't even know the model name of a bike you're about to drop $15k on, let alone your complete lack of experience to be able to handle that bike. It doesn't sound like you have any clue what you're getting into.
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1+ listen, you're going from something like 20hp to like close to 200hp. Do you have an IQ? That bike will man-handle you.
 
dricked said:
In one year of riding you really can't gain the experience and natural reaction to deal with that bike. It will put you on your face or the moon before you know what happend. Even when your cautious and think "this is a good place", by the time you blink/shift you'll be doing 200, yes it's that easy. None of the new 1000 are heavy so don't let the weight make you think it's going to be some soft kitty you can play with because it will turn into a bengal tiger as soon as you go over 6000rpm. ABS and TC will not save you. Mabie try a track day and rent a 600 before you buy the bike. 600's don't have the grunt down low like a 1000 but that's what gets you in trouble.
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This cat doesnt know anything about bikes. Do you know the concept of bikes getting lighter and lighter yearly? Thus making them that much faster? Just because a bike weights like 10lb's (one day in centuries) doesnt make it easy to ride all of a sudden. It makes it that much harder FYI. If you didnt know that trend, you're one sorry person.
 
HorizonXP said:
The fact you got rear ended within a year of riding is a bit concerning. It obviously wasn't your fault in the eyes of insurance, but any collision is avoidable in some manner.

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Really? how is that? you don't even know how wrong you are my friend

This comment is to everyone in general...If the guy has the money to afford the bike and insurance, who are we? his mother?

I see this trend of people in this forum always telling everyone to go get a 250, mind your own freaking business
 
ZX600 said:
Really? how is that? you don't even know how wrong you are my friend

This comment is to everyone in general...If the guy has the money to afford the bike and insurance, who are we? his mother?

I see this trend of people in this forum always telling everyone to go get a 250, mind your own freaking business
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Have you ever ridden with nubs? They scare the **** outta me. I'd rather have them on 250s while they're learning than 600 SS popping wheelies and being stupid. I don't care though, as long as they don't ride the same bike or are in the same age group as me.
 
Jag_V4Ape said:
This cat doesnt know anything about bikes. Do you know the concept of bikes getting lighter and lighter yearly? Thus making them that much faster? Just because a bike weights like 10lb's (one day in centuries) doesnt make it easy to ride all of a sudden. It makes it that much harder FYI. If you didnt know that trend, you're one sorry person.
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Your for real? Did you read my whole post?
 
dricked said:
Your for real? Did you read my whole post?
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No I'm fake. Duh I'm real. And No I didn't read your post. Why? I never saw anything about bikes being lighter every year or thats what the trend is and should be. You had nothing to say on post #51 regarding weight. Oh and I think you're confused. I'm actually agree'ing with your post when I quoted you. I usually quote someone if I'm trying to agree with them. I was calling the OP a cat. lol
 
Lol ok because I did say "don't let the weight fool you", and I thought that everything else was directed to me, anyway.......
 
vdk said:
Have you ever ridden with nubs? They scare the **** outta me. I'd rather have them on 250s while they're learning than 600 SS popping wheelies and being stupid. I don't care though, as long as they don't ride the same bike or are in the same age group as me.
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I have, they scare me on 250's 600's or 1000's,
 
Jag_V4Ape said:
This cat doesnt know anything about bikes. Do you know the concept of bikes getting lighter and lighter yearly? Thus making them that much faster? Just because a bike weights like 10lb's (one day in centuries) doesnt make it easy to ride all of a sudden. It makes it that much harder FYI. If you didnt know that trend, you're one sorry person.
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The lightest modern liter bike was made in 2004-2005. FYI
 
Jag_V4Ape said:
This cat doesnt know anything about bikes. Do you know the concept of bikes getting lighter and lighter yearly?
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Gen 2 of the ZX-10R was actually heavier than gen 1 (mostly because of the dual exhaust). As far as I know, the gen 4 (2011) is still heavier than gen 1.
 
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