# of motorcycle fatalities...

It's funny how turbo ignores posts that show his bias or even dead wrong, but continues to argue his point with random poster... Actually, it's not funny, it's getting old... very old.

I don't think there are more fatalities or even crashes this year, media outlets are just feeling the pressure from social media, and are reporting on a lot more stuff, and more frequently.... so as mentioned, we hear more, that's all.

As for someone choosing motorcycle as cheap transport - yeah right, you checked your insurance rates lately?

The Man of a Thousand Answers aka. turbodish once again misses all the important points. Or should I say ignores them. I submit that he does not ride. Bikes that is. There is no way a person of his obvious bias and complete misunderstanding of this pastime we enjoy could have ever thrown a leg over anything other than a Schwinn 10 speed. He does however look up statistics very competently yet makes inane statements and conclusions not supported by said statistics. Very lawyer-ish yet I suspect failed lawyer becomes law clerk. Or insurance employee. Always the contrarian, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

How could anyone support an argument against AGATT unless said person is arguing the persons right not to wear gear which I support but would prefer that they did. I think I will make it a point when coming to this site to hunt down his posts and run rough shod over them at all opportunities. The fact that even one person in this thread agrees with anything he's said make me fear for our collective future. I've read many posts by many people but his are the silliest things I've ever had the misfortune to sample.
 
http://www.wheels.ca/article/250654
Allan Johnson
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

The number of motorcyclists killed in Ontario has spiked, yet the Ministry of Transportation last year delayed its annual report to the public detailing the statistics.
In the introduction to the 2005 Ontario Road Safety Annual Report (ORSAR) released last month, Transportation Minister Jim Bradley states "the number of fatalities on Ontario's roads declined for the third year in a row." It is not until page 27 of the 105-page report where it states that there was a 57 per cent increase in motorcycle riders killed. The largest fatality increase was in the 45-to-65 group. These older riders accounted for half of the fatalities.
Motorcyclists requiring hospital treatment after an accident increased by 14 per cent.
Emna Dhahak, a spokesperson for the ministry, said no one, including technical staff involved in the preparation of the ORSAR, was available to discuss factors that may have contributed to the increases. However, she said that some numbers used in the report to compare motorcycle registrations of previous years to the 2005 figures were incorrect. These figures were later updated in the online version.
Independent analysis of the transportation ministry's motorcycle accident data for the past 15 years suggests that one factor in the increased number of motorcyclist fatalities in 2005 could have been the exceptionally long riding season due to good weather that year.
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has been recording substantial increases in the annual number of fatal motorcycling accidents for at least 10 years.
Significant factors involved in the 2006 U.S. motorcyclist fatality toll are excessive speed, lack of a motorcycling licence, older age, alcohol consumption and lack of use of a safety helmet (helmet use in the U.S. is estimated to be 52 per cent; the majority of states do not require safety helmets for adults). Riders over 40 years of age accounted for 47 per cent of the U.S. motorcycling deaths.
Although motorcycle helmets have been compulsory in Ontario for 40 years, 14 per cent of riders who died in the province were not wearing one. The 2005 report indicated that alcohol was a factor in 25 per cent of deaths.
While there was a 7.5 per cent increase in motorcycle registrations, this alone could not account for the large increase in fatal accidents.
Robert Ramsay, president of the Motorcycle and Moped Industry Council, said that a "stakeholders" meeting with motorcycle industry and motorcycle training representatives was held by the ministry in June 2007, and the fatality statistics were tabled and discussed.
In view of the increase in motorcyclist fatalities, particularly in regard to older motorcycle riders, and the fact that these increases had been known to the ministry for at least a year, the government spokesperson was asked what action was being taken to reduce the accident and fatality toll.
"The ministry will continue to monitor deaths and injuries on motorcycles and to work with stakeholders," said Dhahak, "including police, manufacturers, training course providers, insurers, safety advocates and community safety organizations, to review existing policies and public education activities with a goal of improving motorcycle safety in Ontario."
afjohnson@sympatico.ca
 
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When getting on your bike you have the choice to wear gear or not to. A cautious responsible person will more often then not choose to wear gear for safety, a not so cautious person is much more likey to decide gear is not for them. Imho once on the bike, that same naturally cautious person is more likely to ride cautiously and responsibly then their counterpart.
 
What about rider who make blatantly unsafe modification to thier bikes, eg. using a car tire on a motorcycle rim?

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That doesn't seem too safe. Unless you ride SO lame in a straight line that cornering isn't an issue.
 
As for someone choosing motorcycle as cheap transport - yeah right, you checked your insurance rates lately?
Actually, this is one of the main reasons I own a bike.
My insurance is not more than my car, and with free parking downtown, it is a cheaper commute than even the GO train.

As for being more cautious when riding without gear, I've been mulling it over since yesterday, and I think there is one important factor, which is that we become acclimatized to conditions over time. For myself, I ride much more defensively and cautiously when I am not wearing all my gear - but this is because I usually do wear the gear. It is the fact that I feel unusually exposed that I change my riding habits. Same thing when I wear my open face, since my day-to-day helmet is a full face. I think that if I squidded it all the time, pretty soon I'd ride just like I do now when I have all my gear on.
 
Actually, this is one of the main reasons I own a bike.
My insurance is not more than my car, and with free parking downtown, it is a cheaper commute than even the GO train.

I've been riding 17-25 and my insurance has always been less on the bike. Usually half or less actually. Gas is cheaper too. Atleast for my bike and I anyway. Being affordable at 17 is what got me into riding in the first place. Always loved motorcycles as a kid and when I looked into getting a car it was unreal what they charge for a primary driver at 17. Got my bike and payed 2200 full coverage (compared to 10grand or whatever for the car this was a steal). Add to the list of pros m2 license=1-3months I think, g2 8-12 months depending on if you take the course.
 
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I think that if I squidded it all the time, pretty soon I'd ride just like I do now when I have all my gear on.

Exactly what I was going to say!

I ride like I'm driving Miss. Daisy, all the time :(
 
I do take my chances sometime. I will go out casual wear every now and then. When I do that I am extra cautious, one thing is always a must, good riding boots. Most days I would wear a perforated jacket, gloves and thick denim. Nobody wears protective gear in India, I am more used to that but here it is different. Everyday you are reminded on the road...proper gear helps. The protective feeling and confidence you get from proper gear should not escalate your risk taking capabilities. Riding is all about fun, being you....enjoy the way you like it but be safe. We are always taking chances with motorcycles as they are not as safe as Cars, but then you don't get that feeling in Cars. We only live once...
 
The MTO Road Safety report for 2008 gives the following numbers:

are there stats comparing single/multi vehicle to fatalities?

as in percetage of fatalites per single vehicler & perc/fat/multivehicle?
 
http://www.wheels.ca/article/250654
Allan Johnson
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

The number of motorcyclists killed in Ontario has spiked, yet the Ministry of Transportation last year delayed its annual report to the public detailing the statistics.
In the introduction to the 2005 Ontario Road Safety Annual Report (ORSAR) released last month, Transportation Minister Jim Bradley states "the number of fatalities on Ontario's roads declined for the third year in a row." It is not until page 27 of the 105-page report where it states that there was a 57 per cent increase in motorcycle riders killed. The largest fatality increase was in the 45-to-65 group. These older riders accounted for half of the fatalities.
Motorcyclists requiring hospital treatment after an accident increased by 14 per cent.
Emna Dhahak, a spokesperson for the ministry, said no one, including technical staff involved in the preparation of the ORSAR, was available to discuss factors that may have contributed to the increases. However, she said that some numbers used in the report to compare motorcycle registrations of previous years to the 2005 figures were incorrect. These figures were later updated in the online version.
Independent analysis of the transportation ministry's motorcycle accident data for the past 15 years suggests that one factor in the increased number of motorcyclist fatalities in 2005 could have been the exceptionally long riding season due to good weather that year.
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has been recording substantial increases in the annual number of fatal motorcycling accidents for at least 10 years.
Significant factors involved in the 2006 U.S. motorcyclist fatality toll are excessive speed, lack of a motorcycling licence, older age, alcohol consumption and lack of use of a safety helmet (helmet use in the U.S. is estimated to be 52 per cent; the majority of states do not require safety helmets for adults). Riders over 40 years of age accounted for 47 per cent of the U.S. motorcycling deaths.
Although motorcycle helmets have been compulsory in Ontario for 40 years, 14 per cent of riders who died in the province were not wearing one. The 2005 report indicated that alcohol was a factor in 25 per cent of deaths.
While there was a 7.5 per cent increase in motorcycle registrations, this alone could not account for the large increase in fatal accidents.
Robert Ramsay, president of the Motorcycle and Moped Industry Council, said that a "stakeholders" meeting with motorcycle industry and motorcycle training representatives was held by the ministry in June 2007, and the fatality statistics were tabled and discussed.
In view of the increase in motorcyclist fatalities, particularly in regard to older motorcycle riders, and the fact that these increases had been known to the ministry for at least a year, the government spokesperson was asked what action was being taken to reduce the accident and fatality toll.
"The ministry will continue to monitor deaths and injuries on motorcycles and to work with stakeholders," said Dhahak, "including police, manufacturers, training course providers, insurers, safety advocates and community safety organizations, to review existing policies and public education activities with a goal of improving motorcycle safety in Ontario."
afjohnson@sympatico.ca

There is a bit of "creative accounting" with the fatalities there. Those 40+ riders represent the largest demographic cohort in the province and will therefore be larger portion of any crash statistics. The % statement you have bolded does not tie with the second half of the sentence. First is % growth, second is largest increase...does not state if it is % based or actual numbers.

However, hopefully this will silence the tools who think this is just media hype. Highways are getting more dangerous for us...whether we're doing it to ourselves or oblivious drivers are to blame.
 
are there stats comparing single/multi vehicle to fatalities?

as in percetage of fatalites per single vehicler & perc/fat/multivehicle?

Sorry, should have clarified in original post. The stats in that post are with respect to fatal crashes.

48% of all fatal motorcycle crashes involve only the motorcycle. While a small portion of these may be due to unforeseeable mechanical failure or other "act-of-godish" event such as being hit by chunks of Skylab, it should be relatively safe to say that the majority of single-vehicle motorcycle crashes would be due to rider error.

The remaining 52% of crashes would be multi-vehicle. Whether "multi-" means that the other vehicle is a car or another motorcycle is not broken out.

The MTO website does makes the following statement on their Tips for Drivers page. Keep in mind that this statement is not specific to fatal crashes.
Share the road with motorcycles – in almost half of all motorcycle collisions the motorist is at fault, not the motorcyclist
Given the context, this statement appears to apply to multi-vehicle crashes between a car/truck/bicycle and a motorcycle. If so, in the slightly over half of all motorcycle crashes that involve another vehicle, the motorcycle would be at fault in slightly over half of those.

That flies in the face of claims by many here that cars are evil. What's evil is poor motoring skills and/or habits, whether by driver or rider. We can't easily control what goes on with another vehicle operator, but riders can take more responsibility over what they do themselves. If riders would only do so, the potential improvement in motorcycle crash and fatality rates could be huge.
 
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i found this Canadian Motor Vehicle Traffic Collision Statistics: 2009 on Transport Canada's website and was surprised to see pedestrian fatalities consistently higher than motorcyclist fatalities

307 against 195 in 2009

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-tp3322-2009-1173.htm

There's a lot more pedestrians than there are motorcycle riders. Ever stood on the corner of Yonge and Dundas? Count the number of pedestrians vs the number of motorcycles. You could even do the same at a popular motorcycle destination like the Forks or even at Port Dover on Friday the 13th, and find pedestrians outnumber moving motorcycles. ;-)
 
Why would you be surprised? There are a lot more pedestrians, than there are motorcyclists.
Also, you don't need to get a license to walk. At least everyone behind the wheel/handlebars has had to demonstrate some level of competency at least once.
 
It seems to me that more people are riding these days (or riding more often). I have noticed more bikes on the road, or it seems that way to me.

Maybe, high price of gas and the great weather might be a factor? (more people-riding-hours = more crashes).
 
Also, you don't need to get a license to walk. At least everyone behind the wheel/handlebars has had to demonstrate some level of competency at least once.

One of the posters here figures that an effective way to commit mass murder would be to step off the curb at Yonge and Dundas, at rush hour, against the light and then quickly step back.
 
Why would you be surprised? There are a lot more pedestrians, than there are motorcyclists.

i guess cuz i hear a lot more about motorcycle accidents than traffic accidents involving pedestrians

plus maybe i'm just not paying close enough attention, but i find that if we're not talking downtown Toronto, there are scarely pedestrians roaming the sidewalks
 
i guess cuz i hear a lot more about motorcycle accidents than traffic accidents involving pedestrians

plus maybe i'm just not paying close enough attention, but i find that if we're not talking downtown Toronto, there are scarely pedestrians roaming the sidewalks

Depends on where you're talking about. Go to 'downtown' Brampton and you'll see people behaving like lemmings too. Go up to the Lawrence and Warden area, maybe around Pharmacy, and people just seem to randomly leap into traffic by ones and twos. It doesn't take high volumes to generate stupidity, but it helps.
 
One of the posters here figures that an effective way to commit mass murder would be to step off the curb at Yonge and Dundas, at rush hour, against the light and then quickly step back.

Sounds like a great social experiment!

I also have a theory that "Bieber fever" is a social experiment that has gotten out of control...
 
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