Obstruction of justice...

[REDBALLS]

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I invite you to explain how pursuing an obstruction of justice charge on the judge would possibly aid his appeal. You might want to throw your disclaimer back on for your response.

And regardless of your opinion of the legal profession, it has been there to defend you and your rights for centuries. It will continue to do so in spite of your attitude.

Shouldn't an obstruction of justice charge begin an investigation and possible trial?
Wouldn't the court bring a court order for the recordings at this trial?
If the recordings are found to be significantly altered to remove points of appeal, wouldn't I have more points of appeal?

Redballs (wrongfully convicted)

 

[REDBALLS]

There is a simple reason why his lawyer is not really paying attention to his request. its because trying to charge anyone with obstruction of justice does absolutely nothing in terms of getting him an acquittal. let me reiterate the NOTHING part.
Your lawyer isn't there to do whatever you tell him to do, that is standard professional responsibility stuff, we are retained to help you, but that doesn't give you * the client * to tell the lawyer to do anything you want, we try to get your the best outcome. if your idea has no merit, your lawyer would (and should) ignore you. This is why Warren Jeffs has no lawyer. Ideally the two of you come up with a course of action that makes sense together, but if you can't agree on that, fire each other.

There are many lawyers who have dedicated themselves to the wrongfully convicted and I have had the pleasure of working with many of them. They care about what they do and its pretty asinine to talk about lawyers needing to dedicate themselves to the public while talking about how they deserve a bad reputation out the other side of your mouth. Being a criminal lawyer is one of the lowest paying, thankless, yet most demanding of the legal disciplines out there, you are on call 24/7, get paid like **** (because legal aid pays like ****), and do a bunch of driving offences and real estate deals on the side because thats what it takes to keep your assistant around. You pretty much HAVE to believe in it in order to get into criminal law, my criminal law colleagues, who work for big name criminal firms, still struggle to pay their car insurance, and they turned down offers from bay street firms offering 6 figures starting to do so.

Aidwyc is a good organisation and I have nothing but good things to say about them, but it is true that its very difficult to get cases accepted because I have previously made those decisions ( as part of a committee ). The truth is there are far more deserving cases than there is manpower. We also focus on grounds of appeal / fresh evidence, in the absence of either of these, its very unlikely that the case will be taken on.

My new/old Lawyer just want's to go to an appeal so he can collect $40,000 plus disbursments from me after I pay for $10,000 for five copies of the transcript for appeal court. He doesn't want to make a request in court for the audio recordings. He does not want to submit a mistrial application.

The Lawyer has not even read the judge's charges (60 pages) of the transcript, even though he has had my transcript for over 2 months. He tell's me I have several point's of appeal that I have highlighted for him already in the transcript. I would prefer to go into an appeal with a full cup of appeal points rather than a half full cup. The Lawyer wants me to go to sentencing then sit on my hands and bite my tongue like my former trial lawyer asked me to do when the judge read her extremely biased charge. He wants me to admit guilt and S*ck the Crown's d*ck for a lighter sentence, so the Judge can put 18 months minimum (of what the Crown is requesting) right up my a**. With the words that the judge referred to me in the jury charge and through out my trial, I will likely see that sentence or more. How would admitting guilt help my appeal?

I'm going to send you a PM of what the judge called me and refered to me during the jury charge and trial, then you can tell me if these are valid points of appeal and if I should be fighting to have these extremely biased and unprofessional statements put back in my transcript that I have paid $1900 for.


Redballs (wrongfully convicted)

P.S There is a mountain in paper work of fresh evidence ready to be submitted for an appeal.

 

[TimC]

If/when Turbodish was on this thread he undoubtedly would tell you to seek the advice of a competent lawyer and I agree entirely. However with his keen insight to the legal system he might have some prudent advice for a person in your position. Hopefully he chimes in here help provide some perspective to you and to educate me on the law in this area.!

Turbo doesn't offer help for those screwed by the system. He promotes the screwing.

Get with the programme.

The OP is another "nice catch"

RedBalls.....sorry to hear you're getting the ultimate circle-jerk and paying a huge price apparently......just sucked into a game that only gozillionaires can play.....be well and give the college-try on a rebound

 

[turbodish]

Turbo doesn't offer help for those screwed by the system. He promotes the screwing.

Then you have deliberately overlooked some of my posts where I have looked into incidents of potential wrongful conviction.

In most of those cases where there was "neutral" info available from other sources, usually media. In this one, the only info is coming from the convicted party and that info is woefully insufficient to even begin getting a picture of what transpired. Judges are entitled to give instructions to the jury, and are entitled to instruct the jury to disregard certain pieces evidence in various circumstances.

Without a full picture of what happened, what was said, what the OP was accused of doing, what the evidence was, nobody here can even begin to arrive at any sort of reasonable opinion over what did or did not transpire, whether the OP was or was not afforded a fair shot at trial, whether the judge did or did not "obstruct" justice.

Maybe the Op was screwed over, maybe rightfully, maybe wrongfully. He has a lawyer. The lawyer is the one who has the best chances of helping the OP if there is any help to be had. The best the rest of you can do here is commiserate with the OP, apparently on blind faith given the zeal that some are leaping to his side. Sorry of I don't do blind faith very well.

 

[sundancekid]

Turbo doesn't offer help for those screwed by the system. He promotes the screwing.

Get with the programme.

The OP is another "nice catch"

RedBalls.....sorry to hear you're getting the ultimate circle-jerk and paying a huge price apparently......just sucked into a game that only gozillionaires can play.....be well and give the college-try on a rebound

After reading a few of your posts it apparent that you often comment in threads just to elicit negative responses and stir up trouble where it is entirely unnecessary; or as some would call it trolling. You unnecessarily took a reference (in passing) to Turbo as it related to providing feedback and used it to attack him. This is not about Turbo, it is about the OP. Like it or not some GTAM members have significantly more knowledge than others hence the reference to getting his insight.

What exactly about your post in this thread is supposed to be considered helpful?

 

[REDBALLS]

Then you have deliberately overlooked some of my posts where I have looked into incidents of potential wrongful conviction.

In most of those cases where there was "neutral" info available from other sources, usually media. In this one, the only info is coming from the convicted party and that info is woefully insufficient to even begin getting a picture of what transpired. Judges are entitled to give instructions to the jury, and are entitled to instruct the jury to disregard certain pieces evidence in various circumstances.

Without a full picture of what happened, what was said, what the OP was accused of doing, what the evidence was, nobody here can even begin to arrive at any sort of reasonable opinion over what did or did not transpire, whether the OP was or was not afforded a fair shot at trial, whether the judge did or did not "obstruct" justice.

Maybe the Op was screwed over, maybe rightfully, maybe wrongfully. He has a lawyer. The lawyer is the one who has the best chances of helping the OP if there is any help to be had. The best the rest of you can do here is commiserate with the OP, apparently on blind faith given the zeal that some are leaping to his side. Sorry of I don't do blind faith very well.

Show patience wise one; It will all come to light very soon.

 

[Metastable]

Sorry of I don't do blind faith very well.

Hmmmm a little hypocrisy perhaps? I mean if you don't do blind faith, then you wouldn't be saying "Good Catch" all the time would you? I mean you're taking what the media is reporting as "blind faith", me thinks.

REDBALLS - good luck with things.

 

[CruisnGrrl]

Hmmmm a little hypocrisy perhaps? I mean if you don't do blind faith, then you wouldn't be saying "Good Catch" all the time would you? I mean you're taking what the media is reporting as "blind faith", me thinks.

REDBALLS - good luck with things.

blind faith... another word for turbovision.....

 

[promac]

I'm not alone in my opinion that the justice system is flawed and corrupt? If there's no accountability, then why not. Gangsters!

 

[ABadjusterrider_5]

To the OP
I forgot to mention in my previous post. The things you talked about in your original post. Write it down. Everything, dates, names times and locations. After awhile, facts become fuzzy, dates become hard to remember. Store it in a file and hang onto it.

 

[TimC]

After reading a few of your posts it apparent that you often comment in threads just to elicit negative responses and stir up trouble where it is entirely unnecessary; or as some would call it trolling. You unnecessarily took a reference (in passing) to Turbo as it related to providing feedback and used it to attack him. This is not about Turbo, it is about the OP. Like it or not some GTAM members have significantly more knowledge than others hence the reference to getting his insight.

What exactly about your post in this thread is supposed to be considered helpful?

my post was offering the OP good luck for being sucked into a court system that will drain him of everythng...wallet, brain, hope etc.....he deserves props for even trying even though it's all for not

label me a troll if you will....while Turbo gets your praise...so be it

I've been around these boards for eons and there was no Turbo (or whatever sig he chooses) on any of these boards until HTA172 was made into law

he/she cheerleads a law that is a blatant violation of due process....and he seems to love the concept "nice catch"...so please excuse my reluctamce in believing this guy would give a crap about offering some poor schlep proper advise in defending himself against the system that he blatantly promotes

 

[sundancekid]

my post was offering the OP good luck for being sucked into a court system that will drain him of everythng...wallet, brain, hope etc.....he deserves props for even trying even though it's all for not

label me a troll if you will....while Turbo gets your praise...so be it

I've been around these boards for eons and there was no Turbo (or whatever sig he chooses) on any of these boards until HTA172 was made into law

he/she cheerleads a law that is a blatant violation of due process....and he seems to love the concept "nice catch"...so please excuse my reluctamce in believing this guy would give a crap about offering some poor schlep proper advise in defending himself against the system that he blatantly promotes

It is my belief that justice in the truest sense, is rendered when the verdict reflects the events as they actually transpired. If the accused is guilty, then apply the penalty as appropriate and if innocent, then he/she should be discharged accordingly. Due process is important to the interests of justice being served.

If a motorist is charged under 172 then he/she will face penalties prior to the trial in the form of impound fees and so on. This is not much of a departure from legislation which allows police to suspend drivers who register a BAC of 0.05 to 0.079 without criminal consequences. Yet people on here don't complain about that nearly as often.

It is my belief that if someone is charged with a offense which does not contravene the criminal code, but allows for vehicle seizure, license suspension and a court summons that if found innocent should be compensated an equal amount to that of the towing fees, MTO reinstatement fees etc., but not legal defense fees.

If however the culprit of the offense is deemed guilty then the allowable penalties under the applicable legislation should apply.

I have yet to read any of Turbodish's posts where he encourages any unfairness on either side in the legal process. Like it or not, 172 exists and anyone with a license is subject to it. He wasn't the one who drafted or enacted the law. You obviously do not like HTA 172; so what are you doing to change it other than bitching about those who want safe roads?

What if you or someone you care about was injured by someone who was speeding excessively (50+ over) or committing other offenses which contravene the HTA? Would you not want to see them punished if/when they are convicted in a court?

When someone says "Nice catch" how is it any different from when someone else says "good that they are now off the streets" http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...reet-racing.&p=1626021&viewfull=1#post1626021 Do you really think that of all the people out there that only a few support consequences for extremely unsafe driving or riding?

When someone is found guilty, they ought to get what's coming to them, plain and simple. If someone doesn't like what might happen if they break the law then they shouldn't give the police cause to enforce it.

 

[TimC]

You obviously do not like HTA 172; so what are you doing to change it other than bitching about those who want safe roads?.

I see the KoolAid is flowing

I've had more face-time and phone-time with the elected schmucks that passed this farce than I'd ever wish on anyone....bunch of two-faced pandering ********** the lot of them

HTA172 does not make roads safe.....roads are dangerous, that's it that's all so be prepared....172 is a law that blatantly violates the charter under the guise of saving lives....a convenient and touchy subject so nobody dare try to reverse it without looking like a careless uncompassionate loogan.....and off we go down the slippery slope

hands off the property....period.....you wanna detain (maybe your deemed dangerous at the time), suspend the licence (aka the privelege) have at it....but keep your hands off the property....if you take someone's property without their consent then it's theft....if your take their property and then demand massive fees to return it then it's extortion......regular peons get sucked into the court system for this behavior so it's completely unacceptable that the Gov't get to be hypocrites on the subject regardless of whatever spin they attempt to put on it...very much like the situation the OP is in apparently

 

[OpenGambit]

I see the KoolAid is flowing

I've had more face-time and phone-time with the elected schmucks that passed this farce than I'd ever wish on anyone....bunch of two-faced pandering ********** the lot of them

HTA172 does not make roads safe.....roads are dangerous, that's it that's all so be prepared....172 is a law that blatantly violates the charter under the guise of saving lives....a convenient and touchy subject so nobody dare try to reverse it without looking like a careless uncompassionate loogan.....and off we go down the slippery slope

hands off the property....period.....you wanna detain (maybe your deemed dangerous at the time), suspend the licence (aka the privelege) have at it....but keep your hands off the property....if you take someone's property without their consent then it's theft....if your take their property and then demand massive fees to return it then it's extortion......regular peons get sucked into the court system for this behavior so it's completely unacceptable that the Gov't get to be hypocrites on the subject regardless of whatever spin they attempt to put on it...very much like the situation the OP is in apparently

Next time you start contacting elected officals about legislation. I hope you know what the Charter says, or find someone who does, because I wouldn't listen to you either if you told me on the phone what you posted just now.

 

[TimC]

Next time you start contacting elected officals about legislation. I hope you know what the Charter says, or find someone who does, because I wouldn't listen to you either if you told me on the phone what you posted just now.

I was a tad more polite when I met face-to-face on multiple ocassions with my MPP....but after watching his complete inaction and BS responses to my face I've decided he deserves zero respect for sending us down the slope. With Frank Klees though I wasn't polite...that guy is worse than a door-to-door salesman with a pinky-ring and deserves to sit in a cell instead of Queen's Park imo.

For any of those knocking doors for election this Oct who want my vote they need to do one simple thing....repeal HTA172. Don't care what flag they fly. Have already briefed the guy running for the orange team last week.

 

[SkyRider]

Dunno if this has been said but why was op in court in the first place?

 

[CruisnGrrl]

Dunno if this has been said but why was op in court in the first place?

doesn't really matter

 

[SkyRider]

doesn't really matter

Then neither is this entire thread

 

[sundancekid]

doesn't really matter

To you perhaps; but he isn't the first on this thread to openly question what the OP was charged with.

Dunno if this has been said but why was op in court in the first place?

It is most likely a serious criminal code violation as the OP mentioned a jury trial, plea agreement and a potential sentence of 18 months.

He wants me to admit guilt and S*ck the Crown's d*ck for a lighter sentence, so the Judge can put 18 months minimum (of what the Crown is requesting) right up my a**.

 

[kellen]

MY ex gf was a court reporter and did the transcripts at home as sort of a court sponsored side business. She had all the full length tapes of the trials. They do exist.

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