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[GreyGhost]

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Auto driving cars might work ok in the nice weather, but come snowy commutes they will still need a human to operate the car.

When then start talking vehicle to vehicle (actively avoided by most of the players now and would likely require a government boot in the ass), things improve greatly. Then they can use GPS for macro navigation and pickup some additional information from other vehicles (maybe they can see a line, at the very least they can broadcast where they think they are and speed and direction).

 

[TK4]

When then start talking vehicle to vehicle (actively avoided by most of the players now and would likely require a government boot in the ass), things improve greatly. Then they can use GPS for macro navigation and pickup some additional information from other vehicles (maybe they can see a line, at the very least they can broadcast where they think they are and speed and direction).

Viral back-seat Tesla driver arrested, says he back-seat-Autopilot-ed home from jail

“I don’t drive and I don’t fill up gas. I am a gold-collar.”

driving.ca

 

[GreyGhost]

Viral back-seat Tesla driver arrested, says he back-seat-Autopilot-ed home from jail

“I don’t drive and I don’t fill up gas. I am a gold-collar.”

driving.ca

A simple rule change by the gov't to make automakers liable when their systems don't function as they say they do and this problem disappears overnight. Tesla filings say that they cannot and likely never will be self-driving and they require human oversight, then they market it as "full self driving" and put token sensing to determine if there is a human that can take over. Updating the code to make it a hell of a lot harder to ghost drive is trivial. Musk is being a douche and people are dying.

 

[Lightcycle]

Auto driving cars might work ok in the nice weather, but come snowy commutes they will still need a human to operate the car.

So true, because this is what all the guidance cameras will see:

 

[Priller]

By the time we get to fully integrated and automatic cars, the infrastructure will be changed to accommodate. There's lots of ways to keep cars in lanes without relying on cameras. As for the ability to manage limited traction, well, it's not like people are masters of that skill either...

There won't be a sudden flip from all human to all robotic. Best guess is it'll start in cities with dedicated lanes, not dissimilar to HOV lanes, for appropriately equipped vehicles, where you drive yourself to the merge point, and it takes over from there. There will still be roads for 'dumb' cars, but as things progress, it'll go from one lane for the self-driving cars to one lane for the human operated ones.

I don't think any of this eliminates human-operated vehicles for the foreseeable future. In a country like Canada, it would be a very long-term project just to develop the infrastructure. But adding it on the small percentage of roads that carry 99% of the traffic on a day-to-day basis would be much more manageable.

But eliminating the human factor from commutes and rush hour traffic is by far the best way to speed those things up. From tailgating, riding brakes, slowing for things roadside, changing lanes, merging, cutting each other off, getting distracted, falling asleep, road rage, plugging the passing lane, and on and on, the causes of traffic slow downs are from the human factor, not volume. Eliminating the stupid and the selfish from the equation would make the biggest difference to traffic flow...

 

[Brian P]

I have my doubts that this would start in cities. Most cities don't have space for more dedicated lanes for automated vehicles. I suspect it will start with motorways. Limited access, no pedestrians, no bicycles makes that situation more predictable. (GM SuperCruise is already like this)

 

[Priller]

I have my doubts that this would start in cities. Most cities don't have space for more dedicated lanes for automated vehicles. I suspect it will start with motorways. Limited access, no pedestrians, no bicycles makes that situation more predictable. (GM SuperCruise is already like this)

Yes, to clarify, that's what I meant. Not dedicating a lane on Spadina, but on the Gardiner or DVP...

 

[GreyGhost]

I have my doubts that this would start in cities. Most cities don't have space for more dedicated lanes for automated vehicles. I suspect it will start with motorways. Limited access, no pedestrians, no bicycles makes that situation more predictable. (GM SuperCruise is already like this)

I agree about freeways. Human drive to automated controlled access route is a simple and safe compromise. As for no room in cities, they could re-assign existing HOV lanes in Toronto as automated lanes. I suspect that a lane full of single occupant automated cars will have a higher throughput than the same lane operating as HOV. Tighter spacing, less stupidity, no accordioning (assuming car to car communication is implemented).

 

[Brian P]

Right, but that's only going to help on the small fraction of major through roads that have such dedicated lanes. Pedestrians and bicycles will continue to be headaches.

 

[GreyGhost]

Right, but that's only going to help on the small fraction of major through roads that have such dedicated lanes. Pedestrians and bicycles will continue to be headaches.

I think the bigger problem will be the ahole drivers that randomly jump in and out as with HOV lanes. I guess automated vehicles that comply with the standard could get special plates and just have ALPR running to pile fines on the morons. If vehicle-vehicle communication is required, you don't even need that, the camera can just take pictures of the dumb cars (or smart cars operating in dumb mode) and mail out the tickets.

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