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move over Jeep, theres a new sheriff in town....

GreyGhost said:
FWIW, the trackhawk is a few seconds faster (but probably double the money)
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Trackhawk is a Grand Cherokee, which means unibody and independent suspension all around. Those are quite well sorted, and the chassis can more-or-less handle the power.

That much power plus solid axles front and rear in a Wrangler/Gladiator ... ??? ... I sure hope someone in the chassis department has put some effort into this.

I predict the presence of a top-speed governor to keep it within bounds of what the tires and suspension and brakes can handle. Might not actually be capable of going any faster than a V6 Wrangler/Gladiator ... tire speed limited, and stability limited.

The cooling system is a towing-capacity-limiting factor on the Wrangler/Gladiator. The hemi engine isn't going to help matters. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with this.
 
Didn't Jeep want to go independent front suspension and many lost their ****? Surprising they listened, since the people that actually use a solid axle are not the initial purchasers.

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Independent suspension would be better for everyone except the rock-crawlers and mudders (and customizers). Independent suspension generally isn't compatible with the huge articulation that the rock-crawlers want, and the enormous wheels and tires that the rock-crawlers and mudders want.

All other current Jeeps use 4 wheel independent suspension and are unibody designs. Jeep kept both the traditionalists (Wrangler) and the mass-market (Cherokee, Compass, Grand Cherokee, Renegade) happy by doing it this way. They sell waaayy more of the on-road models than Wranglers ...

Someone who actually cares about ride quality and handling characteristics, isn't buying a Wrangler. They're better off with a Cherokee anyhow. I've been in both. Solid-axle Jeeps have awful ride characteristics. Cherokee rides and drives like a normal car (because it basically is).

The Bronco kinda splits the difference. It's pretty obvious that they designed it with pretty big tires and decent ground clearance to begin with. It has independent front suspension, rigid axle rear (coil springs with trailing links and a panhard rod).

The Bronco Sport is for the mall crawlers ... it's a glorified/restyled Escape. Unibody, transverse engine, independent suspension.

I found something out from an engineering forum that I am on (I haven't watched the Ford promotional introduction video yet). The Bronco has a disconnectable antiroll bar to allow better off-road articulation.
 
I wonder if Audi or BMW would try to take on MB with their G class,
oh and has anyone seen the new ram with the hellcat motor to take on the raptor? that shts badass
 
New Bronco will be for soccer moms, mall crawlers, and light off roaders.

People that want to go mudding, wheeling, and crawling will still choose Jeep.

I'm interested to see the Bronco up close, maybe test drive one, but I'll never give up my Jeep.

And if they release that hemi V8 with a sub $55k price point...
 
jc100 said:
Still no diesel wranglers?
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EcoDiesel Wrangler has been out all year.

The Gladiator gains the diesel option for 2021.
 
miggs said:
EcoDiesel Wrangler has been out all year.

The Gladiator gains the diesel option for 2021.
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Dodge and Jeep use the VM Motori engine... I wouldn't touch one with a 10' pole. They are torque monsters and not too bad on fuel, but your $250 oil changes, huge depreciation on your vehicle and $3000 / 100,000 km in drivetrain service costs cannot be recovered by the small gain in fuel economy.

3 of my buddies bought diesel Jeeps Grand Cherokees, I chickened out and bought a 4.7 gas version. The Diesel guys paid $15K more for their rides, all 3 had transmissions replaced, turbo issues and fuel system issues. Fortunately the transmissions were done under warranty. They became fedup at around 250K km and dumped them, mine is still in the driveway chugging along.
 
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Mad Mike said:
Dodge and Jeep use the VM Motori engine... I wouldn't touch one with a 10' pole. They are torque monsters and not too bad on fuel, but your $250 oil changes, huge depreciation on your vehicle and $3000 / 100,000 km in drivetrain service costs cannot be recovered by the small gain in fuel economy.
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Nope.

Friend of mine had the Ram EcoDiesel.

Had to get the bottom end replaced under warranty at about 11,000km, and then the FULL motor replaced under warranty around 25,000km.

He promptly traded it in for a Ram with the Hemi.

Wrangler is also eliminating the E-torque option for 2021.
 
The eTorque on the 4 cylinder turbo engine is going away, but the V6 eTorque will be standard equipment on most (if not all) trim levels if you get automatic transmission (which are the versions most people buy). There's a new plug-in-hybrid version in the works. Plug-In Hybrid Jeep Wrangler, Compass, Renegade Will Wear '4xe' Nameplate

Not sure if the pandemic has messed around with launch dates but I've seen tooling for a Jeep vehicle with a PHEV label on it a couple months ago, and although they're not officially launched yet, it's on Jeep's website: Jeep 4xe | Plug-in Hybrid SUV| Jeep Canada

There's a shortage of information about how Jeep's hybrid drivetrains will work. This is all I found - and it applies only to Renegade and Compass (which are platform-related). Transverse engine front wheel drive, electric motor drives the rear wheels. Jeep reveals PHEV Renegade and Compass spec - electrive.com

The Wrangler won't be like that, but how they end up doing it, they're keeping quiet about. The simple way is to integrate an electric motor/generator into the ZF 8-speed automatic replacing the torque converter - which that transmission was designed to allow. This way the operation of the 4-wheel-drive system would be completely unaffected.

The Cherokee 4xe is a total question mark. Almost for sure, it will be parts-bin engineering. It could be like the Renegade/Compass - front-mounted front-drive-only gasoline engine and transmission, and the same rear-mounted electric drive unit that Renegade/Compass use. Maybe the existing V6 gas engine ... maybe the new 1.3 turbo four. Or they could drop in the Pacifica PHEV engine and hybrid transaxle ... but I'm not sure that one was designed to allow all-wheel-drive. Maybe they use the Pacifica PHEV engine and hybrid transaxle plus the rear-mounted electric drive unit - which would allow fully electric all-wheel-drive.

Bronco, at launch, isn't going to have an answer for Jeep's plug-in-hybrid powertrains.
 
miggs said:
New Bronco will be for soccer moms, mall crawlers, and light off roaders.

People that want to go mudding, wheeling, and crawling will still choose Jeep.

I'm interested to see the Bronco up close, maybe test drive one, but I'll never give up my Jeep.

And if they release that hemi V8 with a sub $55k price point...
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On paper.. The Bronco looks like it will contend with the Wrangler.
 
Very cool looking truck.

I predict it will be their new Thunderbird. Big inrush of enthusiasts will buy early models, follow up sales will be tough.

The original Bronco was tough and simple farm truck, it was competing with Jeep CJ and International scouts. Despite its populatity today, it was a bit player in the market. Ford started phasing it out 5 years after its initial release. It was also cheep to buy, In today’s dollars, a Bronco would have been under $20k out the door. I don’t think that market exists today.

Another challenge for Ford is marketing. Mustangs and F150s are successful, not much else from Ford.
 
Cummins makes a 1.8L deisel crate motor that drops right into a wrangler. If we still had the house in the southwest i'd be building one now.

I'll go drive a Bronco when it comes out, I really like my F150, but so do all my friends with awesome 2 seat rockets that wont hold two sets of golf clubs
 
It looks Almost as nice as my FJ Cruiser but I won't be trading that in any time soon, she's not any older then my cell phone lol.
 
Mad Mike said:
Very cool looking truck.

I predict it will be their new Thunderbird. Big inrush of enthusiasts will buy early models, follow up sales will be tough.

The original Bronco was tough and simple farm truck, it was competing with Jeep CJ and International scouts. Despite its populatity today, it was a bit player in the market. Ford started phasing it out 5 years after its initial release. It was also cheep to buy, In today’s dollars, a Bronco would have been under $20k out the door. I don’t think that market exists today.

Another challenge for Ford is marketing. Mustangs and F150s are successful, not much else from Ford.
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I can't go 5 feet without tripping over an escape or focus. May not be leading the segment but it feels like sales were okay.
 
Evoex said:
I can't go 5 feet without tripping over an escape or focus. May not be leading the segment but it feels like sales were okay.
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yeah well...there wont be any of those focuses or any sedans any more..its all stang and suv/pickups now
...sadly
 
Evoex said:
I can't go 5 feet without tripping over an escape or focus. May not be leading the segment but it feels like sales were okay.
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Sales were OK, but well behind the market leaders. In North American 2019 compact SUV leaders were FCA 315,000, GM 225,000, Toyota 200,000, Honda 180,000, Nissan 175,000, Ford 133,000.

If you go a bit deeper and look at just Wranglers (the primary target), Jeep sold 117,000, seems like a pretty small market for an expensive little SUV.
 
I will never get the new buyers of wranglers. most are untouched mall crawlers, seen a ton of soccer moms and the type in them.
They ride horribly onroad, interior/infotainment is terrible, and they aren't known for reliability. Pricing is high for what these people use it for.
I do get that they are the best, no-compromise crawler/mudder you can buy. They are amazing in that aspect, but the amount of new wranglers sold and used for this is tiny. Most buy used and modify.
Just amazes me how they still sell so many new wranglers at the price I see them at.
I'm in love with the gladiator but I can't justify the price compared to other pickups.
 
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