sounds like a great plan.
Spend time manufacturing a product that has absolutely no market for sale.
Spend time manufacturing a product that has absolutely no market for sale.
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Motorcycle Anchor Like No Other Design
- Thread starter Cheesemuffin
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kiwi
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$300 is not steep... Most SS bikes are $10K+++
Some chains are $250+ in price
Motorcycling is not a cheap venture
Obvious ignorance is obvious. To question why condo corporations don't allow residents to drill into concrete floors of the building structure on a whim is truly special.
174Racing
Well-known member
Here an idea for how to mount the lock:
http://www.deltastorage.com/jobox.html
The padlock (we use a Medeco Premium Padlock) stays in the lid of the box. Locking the padlock puts the body of the lock in the space where the door pin goes to block it. These boxes are very secure, we trust ours with a descent amount of tools inside. If you want to check one out in person to see how the lock works we picked ours up at Brafasco.
If you could work out a way to make the lock a permanent part of the devise the lock would be much safer from cutting.
http://www.deltastorage.com/jobox.html
The padlock (we use a Medeco Premium Padlock) stays in the lid of the box. Locking the padlock puts the body of the lock in the space where the door pin goes to block it. These boxes are very secure, we trust ours with a descent amount of tools inside. If you want to check one out in person to see how the lock works we picked ours up at Brafasco.
If you could work out a way to make the lock a permanent part of the devise the lock would be much safer from cutting.
daveyflakes
Well-known member
Even having something like this, regardless of drilling holes into concrete, may go against some condo agreements.
For example, my building's condo agreement specifically states that parking spaces are to used only for the storage of motor vehicles. Surprisingly, it's OK to use one spot for multiple vehicles so long as everything stays within your allotted space.
However, storing anything other than a vehicle will result in those things being removed. I've left my car's floor mats out to dry in the corner of my parking space before. They were removed by management.
Anyway, the point is don't be surprised by how strict some buildings can be. You can definitely forget about drilling anything in your space.
For example, my building's condo agreement specifically states that parking spaces are to used only for the storage of motor vehicles. Surprisingly, it's OK to use one spot for multiple vehicles so long as everything stays within your allotted space.
However, storing anything other than a vehicle will result in those things being removed. I've left my car's floor mats out to dry in the corner of my parking space before. They were removed by management.
Anyway, the point is don't be surprised by how strict some buildings can be. You can definitely forget about drilling anything in your space.
Book an appearance on the Dragon's Den. That way you'll get national exposure and if it doesn't fly you at least got your product/website out to the world. At least it'll give me something entertaining to watch instead of the usual sht people try peddling on that show.
Cheesemuffin
Active member
Yah, the new design has the fins as sheet metal with ridges already. The fins are detachable with a bolt once the panels are unlocked.
As for the housing for the lock I did realize that people could just bolt-cut off the lock or hammer the housing off. I made the housing large enough so no parts of the U-lock shows. It is basically enclosed. As for the hammering off, I added ribs to strengthen it and it creates an angle so the housing won't take the full force of the hammer. The ribs are 45deg so cuts off half the force.
I didn't realize you were allowed to park the bike and a car in one spot 0.o. I was thinking of making a one sided LONG fin for this so the car can drive over it. This makes it even better cause now the fin is beneath your car
making it more difficult to remove.
As for scrap metal theives.... all i can think of right now is make it out of the least amount of steel as i can, or chain (yah..defeats the purpose of the anchor kinda) to a pole
What if it sent out an electric shock enough to hurt you but won't kill you? Lawsuit?
As for the housing for the lock I did realize that people could just bolt-cut off the lock or hammer the housing off. I made the housing large enough so no parts of the U-lock shows. It is basically enclosed. As for the hammering off, I added ribs to strengthen it and it creates an angle so the housing won't take the full force of the hammer. The ribs are 45deg so cuts off half the force.
I didn't realize you were allowed to park the bike and a car in one spot 0.o. I was thinking of making a one sided LONG fin for this so the car can drive over it. This makes it even better cause now the fin is beneath your car
making it more difficult to remove. As for scrap metal theives.... all i can think of right now is make it out of the least amount of steel as i can, or chain (yah..defeats the purpose of the anchor kinda) to a pole
What if it sent out an electric shock enough to hurt you but won't kill you? Lawsuit?
DOHC1
Well-known member
Yah, the new design has the fins as sheet metal with ridges already. The fins are detachable with a bolt once the panels are unlocked.
As for the housing for the lock I did realize that people could just bolt-cut off the lock or hammer the housing off. I made the housing large enough so no parts of the U-lock shows. It is basically enclosed. As for the hammering off, I added ribs to strengthen it and it creates an angle so the housing won't take the full force of the hammer. The ribs are 45deg so cuts off half the force.
I didn't realize you were allowed to park the bike and a car in one spot 0.o. I was thinking of making a one sided LONG fin for this so the car can drive over it. This makes it even better cause now the fin is beneath your car
As for scrap metal theives.... all i can think of right now is make it out of the least amount of steel as i can, or chain (yah..defeats the purpose of the anchor kinda) to a pole
What if it sent out an electric shock enough to hurt you but won't kill you? Lawsuit?
Messed up society we live in..need to protect your bike from being stolen, then protecting the thing protecting it from being stolen, from being stolen.
nebulabob
Well-known member
Too bad they are not so dilligent when it comes to protecting their residents property.
Boogaloo
Member
Shipping might be your only weakness with this solution. If I were you, I would work on supplying a quality chain solution to Norther American customers. Anchor the bike to a barrel full of concrete or your own car Seems like everything out there besides the 2 UK suppliers is junk. Wouldn't be hard to source the parts as the companies making the chains are out there, they just aren't marketing to motorcycle owners.
my security solution
Chain was sourced from a United States based supplier. It's a short link Low Carbon Case hardened chain, each link is 20mm(.8 inches) thick. I'll be doing a test to show people how long it takes to actually cut thru a single link Not as easy as some people think.
Pad lock is a s&g 831B Military grade pad lock for an armory (blast proof, pick proof, bump roof, freeze proof, cut proof)
Seems like everything out there besides the 2 UK suppliers is junk. Wouldn't be hard to source the parts as the companies making the chains are out there, they just aren't marketing to motorcycle owners. my security solution
Chain was sourced from a United States based supplier. It's a short link Low Carbon Case hardened chain, each link is 20mm(.8 inches) thick. I'll be doing a test to show people how long it takes to actually cut thru a single link
Not as easy as some people think.
Pad lock is a s&g 831B Military grade pad lock for an armory (blast proof, pick proof, bump roof, freeze proof, cut proof)
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toshison
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I didn't realize you were allowed to park the bike and a car in one spot 0.o. I was thinking of making a one sided LONG fin for this so the car can drive over it. This makes it even better cause now the fin is beneath your car
Yes, a one-sided long fin would work. My thinking is that as long as thieves cant cut the anchor off easily, the awkwardness and large dimensions of the fin will be the factor that deters theft more than say the weight of the anchor. That way the anchor doesn't really need to be as heavy as a barrel of concrete and can then be disassembled and stored away in the even that the owner decides to store/winterize their bike at a nearby shop for the winter months.
Another thing I was thinking was that you could have relatively short fins on each side of the locked front wheel and have a tall vertical bar shooting straight up from the anchor's platform. That way you wouldn't need a big fin along the floor that occupies a lot of floorspace and the vertical bar would have the same preventative effect of preventing somebody from putting it in a van.
Dealing with condo management will vary from place to place. Some condos are more relaxed while others are really tight. I know mine is fairly relaxed on allowing people to store things like spare tires, small dolly's for hauling up groceries/boxes etc.. in their parking spots while they are tight about other things.
I think as long as the anchor stays within the spot and is not a total eyesore or hazard to anyone else, I think you can make a case to argue for it to be there. Given the frequency of thefts from condo parking lots, I think its totally reasonable to challenge any resistence condo management gives you should you wish to buy something like this.
Another idea would be to try to sell these directly though the condo corporations. Basically, if a tenant wants additional security for their motorcycle, they would have to go through condo management to set it up. They buy the anchor from you the supplier, maybe take a piece of the pie and set it up for the tenant in a regulated manner. That way there is some form of standardization and its regulated through management. My condo in particular does this for bicycle lockups. If I want to lockup my bicycle in the underground parking, I have to request a bike mount/dock be installed on the wall or column next to my car. This allows the bike to hang, locked up with both wheels in contact with the device on the wall. I pay for this and management installs it. Somebody is supplying the bike docks and I don't see why you couldnt do the same with your anchor.
Boogaloo
Member
It stops a thief from putting a bike in a van, but what about trucks and trailers? From what the cops around here, and FL have told me, a uHaul trailer/truck with switched plates seems to be the preferred for thieves. The whole point of anchoring your bike to something is to convert it into a stationary object. I think the reason the QUALITY lock/chain combo work so well is because it requires thieves to make large amounts of noise drawing attention, the last thing thieves want.
Received the chain today
Putting a sleeve on it and making a little modification!
Received the chain today
Putting a sleeve on it and making a little modification!
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snowboarder
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Shipping might be your only weakness with this solution. If I were you, I would work on supplying a quality chain solution to Norther American customers. Anchor the bike to a barrel full of concrete or your own car
my security solution
Chain was sourced from a United States based supplier. It's a short link Low Carbon Case hardened chain, each link is 20mm(.8 inches) thick. I'll be doing a test to show people how long it takes to actually cut thru a single link
Pad lock is a s&g 831B Military grade pad lock for an armory (blast proof, pick proof, bump roof, freeze proof, cut proof)
How much for the chain and lock? Are they easy to buy?
Boogaloo
Member
Took me forever to find an american source. I might actually put together a chain/sleeve combo and sell it, seems like the market here could really use it because there is nothing on the market like this other then the ALMAX and the UNTOUCHABLE and both of them are about $400. I could sell this chain for 215'ish sleeved and shipped.
I wan't to do some tests first to prove the quality to everyone. It seems there are some that think they can easily cut thru something like this, and while you can cut it, I'm guessing it would take over 10 minutes to get thru both sides of 1 link with an angle grinder. It's also case hardened and LOW carbon so the melting point is thru the roof.
As far as the lock goes, its really up to you and what your trying to guard against. If you live in a nasty climate your going to need a solid weather proof lock. If your trying to guard against picking, cutting, power tools, torches, you need to consider those things.
Good locks that I've found are these
Mul-T-Lock series
Abus granites series
Abus rock 83/80
s&g 831b
s&g environment padlock
ABLOY 362
Total, it'll probably cost 300 for a solid lock/chain combo.. But believe me when I tell you everything our market(USA) is offering is crap. There are no chains on the market that are greater then 15mm, and you need at least 16mm to guard against 42" cutters.
I wan't to do some tests first to prove the quality to everyone. It seems there are some that think they can easily cut thru something like this, and while you can cut it, I'm guessing it would take over 10 minutes to get thru both sides of 1 link with an angle grinder. It's also case hardened and LOW carbon so the melting point is thru the roof.
As far as the lock goes, its really up to you and what your trying to guard against. If you live in a nasty climate your going to need a solid weather proof lock. If your trying to guard against picking, cutting, power tools, torches, you need to consider those things.
Good locks that I've found are these
Mul-T-Lock series
Abus granites series
Abus rock 83/80
s&g 831b
s&g environment padlock
ABLOY 362
Total, it'll probably cost 300 for a solid lock/chain combo.. But believe me when I tell you everything our market(USA) is offering is crap. There are no chains on the market that are greater then 15mm, and you need at least 16mm to guard against 42" cutters.
Boogaloo
Member
lol when I pulled out the chain, I thought the same thing hahaha.. My anchor and lock say the same
blue streak racing has a 16 mm thick chain. the thing weighs a ton. came with a mini u lock rather than what is pictured.
$250
http://www.bluestreakracing.ca/en/b...orcycle_lock_chains/oxford_monster_chain.html
$250
http://www.bluestreakracing.ca/en/b...orcycle_lock_chains/oxford_monster_chain.html
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