I never ever ever watch Speed coverage.
Easily best race of the season.
Easily best race of the season.
Motogp 2013
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I was kind of being a little facetious there because it's understood that racing at that level is very physically demanding yet we've seen many instances over the years where riders ride near or at 100% after being plated, screwed and stitched back together. It begs a few questions.
FriendlyFoe
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That being as it may, at one point you did say you thought the announcers were saying that Marquez was riding around with a shoulder that was currently still dislocated which to quote Lewis Black makes you BrbrbrRbRbrbrbr ****ing nuts
redridernl
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What questions exactly? There are banned substances but they are allowed to get shots and take medication for pain. It's common knowledge.
LOL, nothing so sinister. Questions about riding technique. Maintaining near 100% speed and endurance (enough to win races in some cases) while badly injured. Thinking back to Doohan and DuHamel riding and winning with major leg issues all the way to more recent examples. I've always thought of road race riding as a symmetrical physical output. Favouring large and/or vital structural parts with the aid of only painkillers makes me wonder about the various riding techniques employed by healthy riders to achieve the same goal.
Well, I did no worse than the announcer himself, HE CRASHED THIS MORNING AND DISLOCATED HIS SHOULDER!!" repeat X 20. If it's such a big issue he could maybe flesh it out some for the hapless (me) viewer. eg, "Of course he received top medical treatment (insert known details here) and the best pain meds known to man. It'll be a little tender but he'll be fine, these guys ride around this ***** all the time".
Instead he ratshits it up like a delirious carney. That's my long winded way of saying Ralph Sheheen sometimes makes me turn off SX.
redridernl
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Some people are so good at what they do that even at 75% of their ability they're still better than 90% of their competitors.
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Not at that level.
redridernl
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Explain the gap back to say... Rossi.
I'm not in a position to explain that or even qualified to understand the relevance of the question. Are you saying MM at 75%; is better than 90% of his competitors at 100%?
FriendlyFoe
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The this morning was supposed to be a pretty big clue. Probably a safe assumption that he didn't spend the latter part of the afternoon wandering around with a dislocated shoulder going "no no i dont want to go to the medical tent, i'll just ride like this. It'll be fine." LoL
Yeah, he got very lucky with that crash. He was a bit banged up, but it didn't really put him in any sort of long term pain. All of Marquez's crashes have been like that this year. Eventually he is going to run out of luck and screw something up like everyone else. He got a minor dislocation at Silverstone, which didn't require surgery. His crash also almost mamed about 5 other people - if Bautista had done what Marquez did, people would be losing their minds right now.
The race was amazing - I won't spoil the results for anyone quite yet. Very impressed with the top 2, disappointed with 3rd (MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL), and another good battle for 4th. Everyone else from there performed as expected. The Moto2 race was pretty epic as well.
I know, it's kind of a given. But that wasn't really my angle. The hyperbole got to me. I apologize.
redridernl
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All evidence points to this being true. For example, in his first year he has eclipsed his teammate who has ridden the bike for years and has always been a championship contender. The only ones able to run with him are Jorge & Dani, slightly less than 10% of the field. Anyone who has dislocated a collarbone or shoulder will attest to the fact that 75% is about the best you can hope for within a few hours of that injury. You can't move at all without it being a major discomfort at best.
Marquez made reference of that, when he passed Lorenzo the last time, he had to make an immediate right turn and because of his shoulder he didn't have the strength to do it and ran just a little wide and Lorenzo took that opportunity to pass him and win the race, so after all the injury did affect him to the point of losing the race.
He took pain killers and they administrated an injection before the race for the pain, and that keeps him running close to 100% but the race lasted 40 min and the adrenaline eventually washes the pain killers off your body
Ah, ok. It first sounded like you said "that even at 75% of their ability" (some people are so good) but you mean 75% of one area of the body and being able to compensate around it? It sounded like a repeat of the unnesseccary loud American hyperbole I was subjected to Sunday morning. I can go to CNN for that
I'm saying at that level of competition nobody is competitive at 75% of their ability. Of course I could be wrong but would expect to see a larger gap when all are healthy.
Why does it do that? Sometimes I get the percentage sign, sometimes I get %.
FriendlyFoe
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I dont doubt that his shoulder was affecting him, if he had been healthy he probably would have checked out half way through the race but all of the top riders have had to battle serious upper body injuries this season. To me it looked like he ran wide because he was off line from making the pass a corner before, he was all the way to the curbing before even turning in, there was no way he was going to hold the inside line through that corner unless he parked it. Hell of a last lap for the fans either way!
What did Marquez Do? crash? not sure he did it on purpose, He said he didn't see the yellow flags, there is no reason for a Motogp rider to ignore a flag during a warm up round, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
