boyoboy
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wanna look pretty cool at the TD? MotoGP Bikes On The Auction Block: Bonhams Autumn Stafford Sale 2021
money to burn?
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Call me a snob, but if I had money to burn I'd buy a real MotoGP bike, not a CRT...
This one was only $200k...
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2011 Ducati Desmosedici GP11 MotoGP – Iconic Motorbike Auctions
Santa Monica, California - absolute motorcycling royalty and a rare opportunity to acquire a true MotoGP racebike! As Ducati Corse themselves put it in the sales agreement when it was first made public, this "is a unique bike which has been used in a very stressful and intensive way by a...
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This one was only $200k...
2011 Ducati Desmosedici GP11 MotoGP – Iconic Motorbike Auctions
Santa Monica, California - absolute motorcycling royalty and a rare opportunity to acquire a true MotoGP racebike! As Ducati Corse themselves put it in the sales agreement when it was first made public, this "is a unique bike which has been used in a very stressful and intensive way by a...
Nice. Shame it's not Nicky Hayden's bike, just the paintwork, but the lower price reflects this, IMO.
A real #69 would fetch a much higher price given the unfortunate circumstances.
Also I read somewhere that all of these ex-MotoGP bikes have had their original ECUs ripped out and replaced with non-Magneti Marelli ECUs. A lot of proprietary tech that MM didn't want released to the public.
Not that any non-MotoGP rider would notice out on their track days anyway. Or more realistically, sitting in the middle of their living room. Cause that's where I'd put mine if I owned one...
Priller
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Might not be a bad thing. There's a 44Teeth video about a guy who owns a few ex-GP bikes, and he can't properly run some of the fully original ones as the ECU's are locked and he doesn't have the right software to set them up. Replacing with something more standard at least allows for some parade laps...
I think the most action they'd see would be taking it easy at things like the Goodwood Festival...
If you have enough money to buy a few of these as toys, why take it easy? Give'er the beans. Friend of an acquaintance wadded up an F40 at a Ferarri track day, walked over to his other beautiful ferarri and went back out. He wasn't concerned. It was only money and he was having fun.
Priller
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Depends on the owner, I guess. But a key difference between these and an F40 is that you're buying the history with these bikes. What they were rather than what they are. Also, much like an F1 car, if you're not supernaturally gifted, you can't make them work properly because you're just not fast enough. Ice cold carbon brakes and tires makes for no fun at the track. And if you put steel brakes and track day tires on, what's the point? You'd be faster on a built streetbike...
The point is because you can. Most of the big money people invest in the machines much more than the driver. We all know that is a very expensive path that does not maximize performance. They are not going to set a lap record but they are going to be able to tell their friends that they rode Haydens GP bike around Mugello. You are right, the bikes are wrong for the riders and there is a high chance that they bin it but that's a story too.
So true. That's why Ducati made sure to fit the Desmosedici RR with MotoGP wet-weather set ups - steel discs, instead of carbon - so owners wouldn't wad them up on the street or on their track days.
Priller
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Maybe some of the CRT bikes in the OP. Reading further down in the Ducati listing, turns out you're not allowed to ride it at all:
"Per the original owner’s agreement with Ducati, this bike is allowed to be sold “as an antique for mere collection purposes.” The auction winner will be required to provide a written commitment to the current owner of certain obligations to Ducati (such as not riding it or only having Ducati maintain it) – a copy of the agreement with all details will be provided to the winner."
I seem to remember they were tuned pretty mildly, too, to the point where they weren't any faster than whatever superbike Ducati was selling at the time. Did anyone ever breathe fire into one? Would've been cool to see what could be done. I saw one in Indy when we went to the GP there, the owner was mostly just revving it to a gawking public downtown. He certainly wasn't babying the thing...
1098R. Sales guy was telling me I got the better bike when I bought it.
But then again, he was a sales guy, just like anyone in sales:
"Omilawd, that dress looks fah-bulous on you, dah-ling!"
S&p500 has an expected rate of return of ~8%. Art/bikes could be way over or under that number. Without looking backwards, it's hard to know whether it was a good investment or not.
Good place to park your money and the appreciation is way better. People in the know don't sneeze if it don't beat the 7%.
From what I've read, art/cars/real estate have become a super popular method (maybe they always were?) for shady people to launder money.
I see no other reason for a 90's Porsche 911 Turbo to be a $200+k car today.
Maybe other cars/artwork/real estate are money laundering tools, but the 993 was the last of the air-cooled 911s. They will never make another air-cooled model again. Collector's fall over themselves to get the Turbo version. I don't launder money, but I think $200K for a mint-condition, manual tranny 1998 993 Turbo is perfectly priced.
Since there is little intrinsic value and no value that is completely out of line, it is a viable mechanism to wash money. Easier to use a bar though imo. Lots of cash transactions and you can sell it for a mint and move on based on the numbers in the books. If business declined for the new owners, too bad for them.
Late model air-cooled porsche will alway be collectable regardless of it's technical prowess vs newer cars.
Mad Mike
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I don’t want a race bike anymore, I think I need to burn money on a small plane.
Trying to convince my wife that planes are safer than motorcycles - need help!
Trying to convince my wife that planes are safer than motorcycles - need help!
