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Agreed. Pay them a living wage and get rid of the uncomfortable situation...
Apparently people keep trying this in NA with catastrophic results. If you try and eliminate tipping in a way that ends up being close to pay neutral, diners never step foot in your establishment again due to sticker shock
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LoL I never know what to tip. $124 with tax and $20 is my standard. Too much? Too little?
I still think the solution likely lies in a multiplier. Enshrine a ratio in law that compares total compensation of the highest paid employee (all full-time staff including execs) and lowest paid person. Instead of the lowest, potentially the median but that can cause other issues as you leave a slave class at the bottom and they all hope they can make the jump to the upper class. Maybe compare against mean excluding the top 30% of employees? If the top exec wants to make more, they need to drag up the bottom with them. Minimum wage is ~30K a year, what ratio makes sense? Does the ratio change with the gross revenue or number of employees in an organization? For a big company like rogers, maybe 50 times? For a company with <10 employees maybe six times? The variable ratio could encourage growth (and therefore more employment) as execs want to jump categories to increase their multiplier.Once i give them my tip, i get sued usually.
But on a more serious note, i think our problem here is, we have a minimum wage, it doesnt cover cost of living, but if we raise it, it's gonna be used as a reason to raise the cost of living.
But then if we keep it too low, nobody will want to work those jobs at those wages (except students maybe) because it doesn't cover their basic life expenses. It's a vicious circle.
Sadly, one restaurant is doomed to fail if they try it. It needs to be like OMVIC where all restaurants are required to post all-inclusive prices. Sure, there would be an initial shock as people aren't used to those numbers on the menu, but they will figure out that out the door numbers aren't changed all that much.Apparently people keep trying this in NA with catastrophic results. If you try and eliminate tipping in a way that ends up being close to pay neutral, diners never step foot in your establishment again due to sticker shock
Why the No-Tipping Movement Failed (and Why It Still Has a Chance)
Five years ago, both diners and restaurant workers pushed back against efforts to go tip-free — efforts that could play out differently in a post-pandemic world
anyone handling my junk deserves extra money.
Not everyone wants growth though. Some people are good at their jobs and just want to have a wage that moves with the the scale (inflation). Someone shouldn't be penalized for being great at what they do and liking what they do. Like say that employee in the $60-95k range. There are just so many different models of employment, whether it be contractors vs full time employees vs part time, etc etc
Growth is not required. In my quick numbers, assuming that businesses had at least one minimum wage employee, the boss of the small company could make 180K and the boss of rogers could make about 1.5M. If the small company boss wanted to make 250, they can increase the comp of the bottom person (or people) to ~42K or increase the number of people employed to change the multiplier. No growth is required and 180 is nothing to be ashamed of. It just provides a growth path that pulls the team along, not just the top of the pyramid.
Affordable rental housing has been redefined by many as something like 10% below market rent. They gave up on the definition of 30% of median income as that ship sailed long ago.
By giving cash you are saving the server the 4% credit card fee ie $20 tip, 80 cents fee. Restaurant takes the 4% credit card fee that Visa etc charges them. Restaurant owners arent stupid. They would never go for a system where the server could pocket cash and not tip out on it. It would also over complicate the whole process.
Minimum wage is never going to cover cost of living here, its as pipe dream. Peoples largest expense is housing, an asset that has seen a parabolic rise in prices, one that is used to speculate.Once i give them my tip, i get sued usually.
But on a more serious note, i think our problem here is, we have a minimum wage, it doesnt cover cost of living, but if we raise it, it's gonna be used as a reason to raise the cost of living.
But then if we keep it too low, nobody will want to work those jobs at those wages (except students maybe) because it doesn't cover their basic life expenses. It's a vicious circle.
Yeah in theory. Depends what your definition of good service is. When I go to the bank and wait in line 30 minutes, do I get a discount?
Service Ontario is an interesting one. The offices that are privately run have a relatively low and fixed income (they get x.xx per sticker renewal, y.yy per health card renewal, etc). During covid they were told to hire security, extend their hours and do lots of other costly things and were told that no money would be provided for any of those costs. I can't see Douggie changing their funding model because he bumped up minimum wage. Owners didn't make that much already, at some point they may decide to walk away as it's not worth it. That would reduce the number of locations and increase the lines. Fwiw, the government run locations pay workers roughly double what the private ones can afford to and kept full staffing up during covid. They had 3+ people each at $20-$30 an hour sitting there collectively processing what would have paid a private SO office <$10 a day gross income.
The one I go to at Keele/7 was bad before the pandemic. Now the line is around the building.
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