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mimico_polak

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You can smell the election in the air already...7 months out!

Ford cancelled the previous minimum wage increase when he came to power, and now because (I assume) election is coming and he can sense uncertainty in his win he wants to increase the minimum wage for workers that will now support him.

Biggest gain is in servers as they're jumping up from 13.25/hr to 15/hr...so do we still 'have to' tip 20% to provide them a living wage? Or will tipping now be reduced somewhat as they're at the same level as other low income workers that don't get tips?

I guess all wages will follow suit, because why bother working for $17/hr if you can have less bs to deal with at $15...so other lower rates will increase accordingly?

How long before everything starts going up in price with the justification of higher wages?
 
Living wage in Peel is way over $15 per hour...

But as mentioned, cost of living, groceries, gas, etc has all shot up.
 
Sadly increasing minimum wage does almost nothing good imo. The housing problem as little to do with wage and a lot to do with income percentiles. The bottom xx percentile will have trouble affording any form of housing, the next xx percentile can barely afford to rent but are surviving, the next xx percentile hope to buy a condo someday, etc, etc. Raising income raises rents in "affordable" dwellings as now the ability to pay is increased for all in that percentile. The bottom xx percentile is still ^T*^&&*^*&. The real effect of raising minimum wage imo is to further crush people on odsp, marginal pensions etc that now slide to a lower percentile as their income is unchanged and everybody else went up.

As for waiter/waitress, I am conflicted. Any that are worth their salt are making far more in tips than they did in wage. The open secret is to declare ~10% of your wage as tips and the real number is more like 100 to 200%. Look at after tax income and many can be doing surprising well even though it isn't reflected on their tax returns. Changing their wage by $1 an hour probably makes little difference to their take home pay (probably more increase in pay due to rising prices in restaurant to cover their higher wages so they get tipped on a bigger number).

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Also, politics suck. It's sad to see Douggie using the JT playbook of buying votes. At least he isn't directly using our money with this announcement.

As for how this works in practice for hourly staff above minimum wage, does anyone have any insight? Do they jump by the same $/hr? The same percentage jump? Only people at <$20 an hour see a correction?
 
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GreyGhost said:
Sadly increasing minimum wage does almost nothing good imo. The housing problem as little to do with wage and a lot to do with income percentiles. The bottom xx percentile will have trouble affording any form of housing, the next xx percentile can barely afford to rent but are surviving, the next xx percentile hope to buy a condo someday, etc, etc. Raising income raises rents in "affordable" dwellings as now the ability to pay is increased for all in that percentile. The bottom xx percentile is still ^T*^&&*^*&. The real effect of raising minimum wage imo is to further crush people on odsp, marginal pensions etc that now slide to a lower percentile as their income is unchanged and everybody else went up.

As for waiter/waitress, I am conflicted. Any that are worth their salt are making far more in tips than they did in wage. The open secret is to declare ~10% of your wage as tips and the real number is more like 100 to 200%. Look at after tax income and many can be doing surprising well even though it isn't reflected on their tax returns. Changing their wage by $1 an hour probably makes little difference to their take home pay (probably more increase in pay due to rising prices in restaurant to cover their higher wages so they get tipped on a bigger number).
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Not everyone on minimum wage gets tips though!
 
mimico_polak said:
You can smell the election in the air already...7 months out!

Ford cancelled the previous minimum wage increase when he came to power, and now because (I assume) election is coming and he can sense uncertainty in his win he wants to increase the minimum wage for workers that will now support him.

Biggest gain is in servers as they're jumping up from 13.25/hr to 15/hr...so do we still 'have to' tip 20% to provide them a living wage? Or will tipping now be reduced somewhat as they're at the same level as other low income workers that don't get tips?

I guess all wages will follow suit, because why bother working for $17/hr if you can have less bs to deal with at $15...so other lower rates will increase accordingly?

How long before everything starts going up in price with the justification of higher wages?
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servers go from 12.55 to 15.
Restaurants will simply raise the tip out % to make up for this, like they did the last time there was a big jump. So this doesnt really do much for servers
 
jc100 said:
Not everyone on minimum wage gets tips though!
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I know, that is why paragraph one and two were separate. Waiter/waitress cry poor but they are in an entirely different position than those in straight low wage jobs (in many cases percentile group three that may buy a condo in the future if they are smart with their money).
 
At least you didn’t have to deal with the Gestap….er, HRP grunts in your parking lot.
 
Jayv said:
This is well overdue, the cost of everything has gone through the roof these past 18 months. I can't believe how min wage folks are surviving, needs to be more than $15.
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Problem is once the wage goes up so does the cost of living and nothing really changed. Except now those not making min wage are effectively making less.


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Further up the profit chain governmental organizations are jumping on the greed bandwagon with new testing requirements for products and yearly registration fees that never before existed. The minimum wagers will continue to lose ground to needed cost increases, either genuine or fabricated. "Think of the children" tests and CSA re-certification tests on products that haven't changed in years. Money grabs.

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GreyGhost said:
I know, that is why paragraph one and two were separate. Waiter/waitress cry poor but they are in an entirely different position than those in straight low wage jobs (in many cases percentile group three that may buy a condo in the future if they are smart with their money).
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The only argument I’ve ever heard against tipping is from waiters/servers. They cry poor but make way more in tips than they care to declare.

- we make below minimum wage!
- how much in tips?
- not the point!

But that’s a whole diff discussion.

@ChrisCBR can you elaborate? I don’t know the rules for tip outs or whatnot for servers.

If they get cash, how does the restaurant know what they receive if they just pocket it? I can see it with credit cards as that’s east…cash not so much.

I typically tip cash just to not give to the restaurant and so the waiter gets it. As for tipping I dropped $20 for a massage yesterday, but not to the CC machine.
 
mimico_polak said:
The only argument I’ve ever heard against tipping is from waiters/servers. They cry poor but make way more in tips than they care to declare.

- we make below minimum wage!
- how much in tips?
- not the point!

But that’s a whole diff discussion.

@ChrisCBR can you elaborate? I don’t know the rules for tip outs or whatnot for servers.

If they get cash, how does the restaurant know what they receive if they just pocket it? I can see it with credit cards as that’s east…cash not so much.

I typically tip cash just to not give to the restaurant and so the waiter gets it. As for tipping I dropped $20 for a massage yesterday, but not to the CC machine.
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Often server is required to kick a flat percentage to the kitchen. Five to 10 percent. If you tip zero, they still pay tipout. If you tip 25%, kitchen still gets the same flat rate.
 
GreyGhost said:
Often server is required to kick a flat percentage to the kitchen. Five to 10 percent. If you tip zero, they still pay tipout. If you tip 25%, kitchen still gets the same flat rate.
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I guess that's fair...waiter/server gets all the tips but they're supported by the back end that never sees the customer.
 
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