Meanwhile in China....

Surprised it's not made by CMW (Chinese Morton Werke).
 
If its priced like a chinese bike, i might just buy the ktm clone
 
This is what the Chinese do best. Link up with a foreign firm and then rip off and copy their IP to create clone like products in a separate corporation, sell them for less and, of course, keep all the profits.
 
ReSTored said:
This is what the Chinese do best. Link up with a foreign firm and then rip off and copy their IP to create clone like products in a separate corporation, sell them for less and, of course, keep all the profits.
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Often using lower quality components.
 
ReSTored said:
This is what the Chinese do best. Link up with a foreign firm and then rip off and copy their IP to create clone like products in a separate corporation, sell them for less and, of course, keep all the profits.
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yup
get a contract building parts for a western manufacturer
use that as a launching pad to make cheap knock offs
garbage products are made in the same plant as the OEM stuff
no R&D costs

watched a docu on this topic recently
was focused on the tech industry in Shenzen, not vehicles

they have a completely different mind set on IP and patents
everything is openly available to copy - then add your own improvements

in that industry it's an advantage in that it greatly reduces the time line to bring a new product to market
we don't like it in the West as we have a culture of a forever reward for innovation
 
A friend of mine owns a company making niche aftermarket auto parts. Parts are made mainly in Canada, Taiwan and China.
When he was over at one of the factories he deals with in China he found knockoffs being made of products they produce for him. They kiss his ass when he is there but behind the scenes they screw him.
 
K20EF8 said:
A friend of mine owns a company making niche aftermarket auto parts. Parts are made mainly in Canada, Taiwan and China.
When he was over at one of the factories he deals with in China he found knockoffs being made of products they produce for him. They kiss his ass when he is there but behind the scenes they screw him.
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with the profit potential over mfg in canada one has little to complain about.
 
we don't like it in the West as we have a culture of a forever reward for innovation
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Look up a guy named Armstrong before you keep that view ....he SHOULD have been in the ranks of Edison et al. He invented FM radio and amplification and is almost unknown ....and that was thanks to theft by RCA in complicity with the US gov. He finally was vindicated only after his suicide ....

With great canniness, loyalty, and perseverance, his widow, Marion Armstrong, and his attorney, Dana M. Raymond, quietly continued the battle. Late in 1967, nearly fifteen years later, they won the last of a long line of infringement suits, winning twenty-one out of twenty-one entered, for perhaps the most unprecedented string of legal vindications ever obtained for an inventor. This story, too, is here. It is an extraordinary ending for an extraordinary career.
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His basic contributions to radio were three, and together they constituted major landmarks and much of the history of radio.
The first was the regenerative or feedback circuit (1912), which took wireless telegraphy out of the spark-gap, crystal-detector stage into the radio era of amplified sound.

The second was the superheterodyne circuit (1918), which underlies all modern radio and radar reception.

The third and subtlest conception of all was wide-band frequency modulation or FM radio (1933), a nearly static-free system of high-fidelity broadcasting that revolutionized the reproduction of sound and opened a development in communications and the auditory arts that is not yet ended. A fourth invention, known as superregeneration, made in 1922, but not widely used, may yet prove as basic as these three.
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The US is no angel when it comes to patent theft and stealing technology
 
MacDoc said:
Look up a guy named Armstrong before you keep that view ....he SHOULD have been in the ranks of Edison et al. He invented FM radio and amplification and is almost unknown ....and that was thanks to theft by RCA in complicity with the US gov. He finally was vindicated only after his suicide ...
The US is no angel when it comes to patent theft and stealing technology
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Same for Nicolas Tesla - he got ripped off real good.
 
MacDoc said:
Look up a guy named Armstrong before you keep that view ....

The US is no angel when it comes to patent theft and stealing technology
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as you are reluctant to use the quote feature of this forum
I'm guessing you are directing this instruction @ moi

it's not my view, it's an observation
and I don't completely agree with it

outright IP theft is a problem
as is consumer gouging ad-infinitum over something of inevitable discovery
 
Like insulin - a freely given patent by the Canadian inventor to the world and the US company is killing people with gouging and Epi-pens. $30 to $300 and also killing people as a result. Submarine patents are a huge damper on innovation as well.
 
MacDoc said:
Like insulin - a freely given patent by the Canadian inventor to the world
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Collip and Best (Banting refused to put his name on it) sold the patent to the UoT for $1. There's a technicality I'm unsure of, eg: selling a car for $1.
 
Same thing happened with Polio vaccine and Dr Jonas Salk did the same thing and didn't monetize his IP. So, I don't think it's an American or non American thing, it was a different time. I'm eternally hopeful that there are still people like this toiling away. It's not all doom and gloom and the world is not going to hell in a hand basket, so hang in there peeps...

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