-Maverick-
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Do the batteries work in any garden tools ie leaf blower, trimmer or are they proprietary to Mastercraft only?
The guy formerly known as Mladin.
The guy formerly known as Mladin.
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Maximum Tools (Battery)
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If you do actually mean the Maximum battery, they are for Maximum tools only.
If you are referring to the new Pro Pod batteries, they are for Cdn Tire (pretty much) things only.
"PWR POD powers exclusive brands, including Mastercraft, MotoMaster, SIMONIZ, Yardworks, Woods and Outbound."
If you are referring to the new Pro Pod batteries, they are for Cdn Tire (pretty much) things only.
"PWR POD powers exclusive brands, including Mastercraft, MotoMaster, SIMONIZ, Yardworks, Woods and Outbound."
-Maverick-
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In general
Voltage is voltage and 18v is the same as 20v (engineer says 18v at load, 20v at no load--enter marketing guy....). The tool does not care about battery chemistry (see caveat) the charger does, so the charger needs to match the battery! The caveat, not chemistry, is an older tool may not have safety shutdown communication with the battery so may over drain it (depends on manufacturer), same with mixing brands with adapters. Just don't over drain the battery....
Form factor, here is the rub.
The problem with main brand cordless tools is the battery form factor may eventually change--but it takes a long time before they do. Aftermarket adapters are available between form factors and .even between brands.
The problem with house brand tools is the battery form factor will much more likely change as they change suppliers. It is very unlikely you will find an adapter off the shelf as they are odd ducks.
CT has gone to their power pod form factor. If your tool was built after this was implemented and uses this standard you should be fine. If not, well it is a toss up if they just happened to use that form factor. All you can do is take in the old battery with you and if possible examine the new one side by side as close as the packaging will permit.
Next best option is 3D print an adapter or make one by hand.
Voltage is voltage and 18v is the same as 20v (engineer says 18v at load, 20v at no load--enter marketing guy....). The tool does not care about battery chemistry (see caveat) the charger does, so the charger needs to match the battery! The caveat, not chemistry, is an older tool may not have safety shutdown communication with the battery so may over drain it (depends on manufacturer), same with mixing brands with adapters. Just don't over drain the battery....
Form factor, here is the rub.
The problem with main brand cordless tools is the battery form factor may eventually change--but it takes a long time before they do. Aftermarket adapters are available between form factors and .even between brands.
The problem with house brand tools is the battery form factor will much more likely change as they change suppliers. It is very unlikely you will find an adapter off the shelf as they are odd ducks.
CT has gone to their power pod form factor. If your tool was built after this was implemented and uses this standard you should be fine. If not, well it is a toss up if they just happened to use that form factor. All you can do is take in the old battery with you and if possible examine the new one side by side as close as the packaging will permit.
Next best option is 3D print an adapter or make one by hand.
Duct tape and jumper wires
Milwaukee M12 batteries will accept standard .250 male spade quick disconnect terminals. Not sure about the M18 batteries.
If you go name brand battery they make aftermarket "sleds" (aliexpress has lots) that fit the battery, have terminals and have positive and negative leads. Take the old dead battery and cut it apart, remove cells, connect up the red and black wires, trim things up and epoxy etc. it together....Duct tape and jumper wires
Milwaukee M12 batteries will accept standard .250 male spade quick disconnect terminals. Not sure about the M18 batteries.
How hack it looks will depend on skills, how different the shapes were and the colour of duct tape used.
-Maverick-
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Excellent, thank you for the in depth answer. Ryobi has what I need, but the 40V batteries are kind of heavy and from what I've read, 12 mins from their leaf blower is very underwhelming.
They should have a standard across the industry, like air couplers. Or work towards one.
The guy formerly known as Mladin.
They specifically do not want a standard. Batteries are where all the profit is.
Now, 12 minutes of run time on an electric blower is better than you expect. May not be great for clearing a whole lawn in the fall but for pathways/gardens/cleanup where you can easily turn it off between areas and use lower power much of the time, that's a lot of ground covered. My FIL has the Ryobi 40V and loves it. He has a Ryobi 40V lawnmower that takes a different battery (facepalm). I have a Makita 18V for cleanup/inside the house and a gas blower when major cleanup is required. If I was buying now, I would get battery handheld and a big gas backpack.
They will absolutely never do that. Most of the point is that once you buy into a battery system you're way more likely to stick with the brand. (speaking as a member of the Milwaukee M12 cult)
You can't quite say never. EU forced Apple to go USB-C (with a lot of kicking and screaming). There is a potential that some large government organization could force the issue but there is a 0% chance manufacturers will do it willingly. I'm not convinced that would ever happen though. USB-C was triggered by millions of discarded cables for obsolete phones. Most consumer battery powered tools are retired because the battery has died not the tool.
As for a single standard, Milwaukee alone (and most other brands) have at least three independent and non-interchangeable battery standards (with a bunch of sub-classes if you want to consider high output packs).
For one battery and multiple brands....
www.ampshare.com
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www.powerforall-alliance.com
The irony the first one is for "pro" tools and the second for consumer, and they do not interchange both being Bosch.
AMPShare: Power for pros | Bosch Professional
AMPShare is a multi-brand battery alliance that lets you power your jobs with just one battery system.
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THE battery for your home and garden | POWER FOR ALL ALLIANCE
POWER FOR ALL ALLIANCE offers a cross-brand 18V battery system from world-leading manufacturers for the entire home.
www.powerforall-alliance.com
The irony the first one is for "pro" tools and the second for consumer, and they do not interchange both being Bosch.
They also seem to be limited to brands mostly under the same umbrella (plus a few also rans that have no history or expertise like Gardena battery powered whatever).For one battery and multiple brands....
AMPShare: Power for pros | Bosch Professional
AMPShare is a multi-brand battery alliance that lets you power your jobs with just one battery system.
and
THE battery for your home and garden | POWER FOR ALL ALLIANCE
POWER FOR ALL ALLIANCE offers a cross-brand 18V battery system from world-leading manufacturers for the entire home.
The irony the first one is for "pro" tools and the second for consumer, and they do not interchange both being Bosch.
Ryobi/Ridgid/Milwaukee (TTI) aren't interested in cooperating in the same umbrella. Same for Stanley Black&Decker with Dewalt, craftsman, bostitch, Mac, Porter cable, B&D all using proprietary batteries.
-Maverick-
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I have the Ryobi lawnmower...I didn't know the batteries were different for their Leaf Blower... F that, I'll stick with gas. It's the razor / razor blade model, the slickest, most profitable business model ever created...besides cigarettes and booze.
The guy formerly known as Mladin.
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They may be close to compatible. I havent tried. I suspect the lawnmower will be larger batteries and maybe high output. Leaf blower will be small batteries for weight. I honestly didn't look closely. He said they were different batteries.
I would question that. Ryobi are famous for all 18v batteries fitting all 18v tools, same with all 40v fitting all 40v tools. As far as I know the only way they wouldnt fit is if it was too 'big', ie a 6ah into a spot meant for 4ah or lower
I suspect that's the issue. I'll play with them next time I'm around. Lawnmower pack may be too big to fit blower and blower pack may be too small to run lawnmower. Or my FIL is wrong. Also possible.
I have a Ryobi 40v lawnmower and their leaf blower, and string trimmer. The batteries are interchangeable. That said, I probably wouldn't use the big *** lawnmower battery (can't remember the amps) in the string trimmer just due to weight. And using the small battery in the lawnmower also doesn't make much sense due to run time. But in a pinch, yes, they work.
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