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Marco Muzzo

I recall a few years back a repeat DUI offender that was driving drunk on Trethewey Drive, killed two ladies that were out for a walk. He registered 3-4 times the legal limit and was sentenced to 12 years. At the time, it was the harshest penalty ever handed down in Canada.
 
Vigilante justice, is that what you suggest as being true justice? Outside the bounds of law justice as in some ticked-off driver dooring a high-speed lane-splitter who just punched a car mirror a few cars back? Would that be ok?

While my knee jerk reaction was otherwise I agree with you. American style hate justice has resulted in far higher rates of recidivism than more liberal systems. Isn't it the point of justice to make the world a better place?

My heart goes out to the parents of the victims. Their day started out seeing the kids drive off with the grandparents, expecting them to come home laughing and giggling about the day's adventures. Maybe they'd sit down to a family supper and share stories about the day. The worst case would be an upset stomach because of too much ice cream.

Instead there is a knock at the door and a cop tells them their family is dead. I would not want that cop's job.

I hope that the Neville-Lake family can channel their energies into something positive that would create real change. If in some way the changes saved lives they could at least say their family didn't die for nothing. It could spare another family the same grief.

As to Marco Muzzo, if he was released tomorrow with no conditions it is statistically unlikely that he would kill again so what is the purpose of him wasting his life and taxpayers dollars sitting in a penitentiary?

The only thing I can think of is closure.
 
This is my vague memory at work. But on newstalk 1010 they made note of a guy who had 18 impaired driving infractions and racked another one when he killed a woman in a wheelchair.

14 or 18 or somewhere in that range. Can't remember exactly. Point was it was a ridiculous number and the guy was still driving. My guess was he wasn't licensed. If he was, that's criminal on the MoT's behalf.

If someone could bring up the case that would be nice.

From the media:

SALABERRY-DE-VALLEYFIELD, Que. -- It is the longest sentence ever handed down in Canada for a case of impaired driving -- life in prison -- and it's still not as tough as Crown prosecutors wanted.
A Quebec judge decided not to order dangerous offender status for Roger Walsh, which would have made him the first drunk driver slapped with that designation. But the judge still set history by handing a life sentence to the "incorrigible" repeat drunk driver -- which, according to experts, has never happened.

Still, Crown attorney Joey Dubois left court Wednesday imagining what might have been. He had hoped the case might establish a new precedent, with dangerous-offender designation and the additional safeguards it offers. "By asking that the accused be declared a dangerous offender, we submitted a scenario that seemed well-adapted to the situation with Mr. Walsh in all of the circumstances and conformed to our interpretation of the law," Dubois said.

"Justice (Michel) Mercier concluded the dangerous offender legislation was not meant to apply to offenders who commit this kind of crime."

Walsh, 57, pleaded guilty to mowing down Anee Khudaverdian, a wheelchair-bound mother, last October after a night of binge drinking.

It was her 47th birthday. It was his 19th drunk-driving conviction.

Mercier ruled that he couldn't put Walsh back on the street, after experts deemed he could simply never fight off the bottle. "Every measure taken in the past has failed. You are incapable of quitting drinking."

The victim's sister, Clara Khudaverdian, said the sentence was a strong one, but it would be up to politicians to make clear why recidivist drunk drivers can't qualify as dangerous offenders.

"We lost an opportunity, but we made history," Clara Khudaverdian said. "A life sentence has never been given out... I think it's something that we should celebrate."

In practical terms, the life sentence could wind up being just as harsh. In either option, Walsh can still seek parole after seven years.

-- The Canadian Press

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I don't know if there are any alcoholics reading this or if anyone has spent time with one to the point where they understand the mentality. The compulsion to drink can overpower all logic. I saw a buddy go from Kingsway millionaire to trailer park trash. He had some DUI's but fortunately only property damage. Smoked himself to death ( emphysema)
 
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Muzzo is a gearhead. The 15 year ban is going to be the twisting knife for him.
 
Drive a boat, Donzi, Fountain, Formula?

Interesting. So if he gets caughting drinking and driving in a boat, he gets a DUI, but technically he hasn't violated his driving ban. Or can a driving ban cover every motorized vehicle on public property?
 
Can he get a pilot's license?

Drive a boat, Donzi, Fountain, Formula?

Race NASCAR, formula or drag?

AFAIK operating a boat would be ok. As far as doing any of the FCA's track days, ain't gonna happen.

"At our General Lapping events, we still cater to the more experienced market of track day participants and so only experienced track day drivers are permitted to lap unaccompanied on our Advanced Track days until passed by approved 6th Gear instructors. 6th Gear days are not intended for the novice track day driver, but more toward the experienced track day driver looking to enhance their skills. All drivers must have a current and full driving license for Ontario or an equivalent official qualification""
 
He was "allegedly" stopped for drinking and driving several times prior to this incident; they just didn't stick. Apparently he didn't learn anything from those prior incidents. He made the same bad decision on several occasions. He just didn't get away with it this time. A one-time offender with significant remorse is one thing. A repeat offender is another ...

Well that being said, that's a different story, it's unfortunate that it came to this.
 
What about the mother and the rest of family? Why is it people describe murder with a vehicle as "poor judgement" and "I'm sure he didn't intended on doing it" but with every else that "logic" doesn't apply. I'm sure bystanders that get killed by stray bullets weren't meant to be hit but the shooter still serves heavy time for it. Driving a vehicle impaired is the same thing. You're drunk and driving. He should've gotten life for what did. He can carry that burden in jail. People don't see the big deal with drinking and driving. No one thinks they'll do it and then when it happens it's "well it was a mistake and they regret it". Life's are still lost. Repeat offenders shouldn't have a license period.

That's a colourful comparison but wouldn't categorize that example to be the same, someone firing a gun is intending to hurt and/or kill someone.
 
Interesting. So if he gets caughting drinking and driving in a boat, he gets a DUI, but technically he hasn't violated his driving ban. Or can a driving ban cover every motorized vehicle on public property?

It covers any motorized vehicles on public AND private property, golf carts, bulldozers, streetcars operating on public streets, riding lawn mowers, even e-bikes. A boat (vessel) is also considered to be a motorized vehicle, so that is included in the prohibition too.

A disqualified driver was caught driving a lawn tractor on the shoulder near Goderich and charged with same and with impaired. http://london.ctvnews.ca/lawn-lush-...-riding-lawn-tractor-while-impaired-1.2361613

And another near Owen Sound. http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2014/05/01/man-banned-from-driving-has-lawn-tractor-impounded
 
To operate a boat you need to carry a pleasure craft operator card which can be obtained on line or at boat shows, marinas etc. You must also carry photo ID to prove you are the person to whom the card was issued. I don't know if the ban extends to operating boats but boating while impaired will lose you your driving privileges. Does it go the other way and a DUI sinks the boating?

griff2 clarified the power boat thing but how about a sailboat?

I assume an airplane is out as well?

I think there is a general confusion about what is often referred to as "Losing a license" and being banned from certain activities. The lawn tractor on one's own property surprises me. Could Marco fly a model airplane, play with model trains, fly a drone?

Much, I assume, depends on definitions of key words like "Vessel" and "Powered". A sailboat is powered by the wind but not motorized.

Can a farmer with a DUI drive his tractor to harvest crops?
 
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What will be really interesting is where he does his time. Club Fed. or like most others a medium security facility to start.

"Federal prisoners spend up to 15 days in provincial jail before being transferred to a federal assessment centre (almost certainly in Mr. Muzzo’s case at the medium-security Joyceville Institution in Kingston). There, they spend up to 90 days while being classified and meeting with corrections staff to develop an individualized plan, including programs to take and goals to achieve, according to Kyle Lawlor, a spokesman for Correctional Service Canada. There is a good chance Mr. Muzzo will then be transferred directly to the minimum-security wing at Beaver Creek Institution in Gravenhurst, Ont., where residents live in one of five townhouse-style units, and there are no fences."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...r-deadly-drunk-driving-crash/article29415236/
 
To operate a boat you need to carry a pleasure craft operator card which can be obtained on line or at boat shows, marinas etc. You must also carry photo ID to prove you are the person to whom the card was issued. I don't know if the ban extends to operating boats but boating while impaired will lose you your driving privileges. Does it go the other way and a DUI sinks the boating?

Yes, and the flying too.

[h=6]Operation while disqualified[/h](4) Every offender who operates a motor vehicle, vessel or aircraft or any railway equipment in Canada while disqualified from doing so, other than an offender who is registered in an alcohol ignition interlock device program established under the law of the province in which the offender resides and who complies with the conditions of the program,

  • (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or
  • (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
 
"Federal prisoners spend up to 15 days in provincial jail before being transferred to a federal assessment centre (almost certainly in Mr. Muzzo’s case at the medium-security Joyceville Institution in Kingston). There, they spend up to 90 days while being classified and meeting with corrections staff to develop an individualized plan, including programs to take and goals to achieve, according to Kyle Lawlor, a spokesman for Correctional Service Canada. There is a good chance Mr. Muzzo will then be transferred directly to the minimum-security wing at Beaver Creek Institution in Gravenhurst, Ont., where residents live in one of five townhouse-style units, and there are no fences."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...r-deadly-drunk-driving-crash/article29415236/

Rats. I was hoping he'd at least become a jail bride to be passed amongst the bikers.
 
griff2 clarified the power boat thing but how about a sailboat?

I assume an airplane is out as well?

I think there is a general confusion about what is often referred to as "Losing a license" and being banned from certain activities. The lawn tractor on one's own property surprises me. Could Marco fly a model airplane, play with model trains, fly a drone?

Much, I assume, depends on definitions of key words like "Vessel" and "Powered". A sailboat is powered by the wind but not motorized.

Can a farmer with a DUI drive his tractor to harvest crops?

From the CCC:

motor vehicle means a vehicle that is drawn, propelled or driven by any means other than muscular power, but does not include railway equipment; (véhicule à moteur)

A sailboat is not propelled by muscular means. A canoe (paddled and not under motor or sail power) is, so maybe you would have an argument as far as a prohibition order goes with a canoe.
 
Not legally as it is a motorized vehicle. The driving ban is on all motorized vehicles even if they don't require a license.
Hah, he's screwed. But he also has the money to uber everywhere so I guess it won't bother him too much.

But if he's as much of a car enthusiast as it seems, he's screwed. I would be devastated if I ever got a motorized vehicle ban. (it would be the least of my worries if I just killed 3 kids and a grandfather though)

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While I feel this sentence is appropriate (if not a bit light), it would be interesting to know how this would play out if he had been texting when he blew the stop sign as opposed to drunk. Texting while driving is equally negligent, if not more so, given that the person is making a conscious, non-impaired, decision to do so. It makes me wonder if drivers would continue to be so "distracted" if the penalties were as harsh as drunk driving.
 

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