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March Against Monsanto - May 25th

oilycreek said:
This tells me it's political BS.
For too long, Monsanto has been the benefactor of corporate subsidies and political favoritism. Organic and small farmers suffer losses while Monsanto continues to forge its monopoly over the world’s food supply.


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While it would be nice if they demonstrated those claims for themselves, it's actually hard to find anyone who disagrees with them. At this very moment a bill is being passed in the US that is widely agreed to be unconstitutional, that will allow Monsanto to make millions that they otherwise would not be able to do while defending themselves from lawsuits relating to GMO foods.

This is the view shared by Libertarian lawyer Baylen Linnekin who would rather give Monsanto free reign to market whatever it wants, as he explains here; http://reason.com/archives/2013/04/06/why-i-oppose-the-so-called-monsanto-prot/1

The USDA's secretary Tom Vilsack (organisation which gains power from this new law) is himself concerned about the extrajudicial powers they have been granted. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=14B6FB84-05E5-4CF0-AEA8-ED22A47CDDA4

A farmer turned Democrat politician Jon Tester describes the new rules as "giveaways, pure and simple". (from previous link)

A Tea Party blogger, Dustin Siggins, also calls it a "special interest giveaway". https://www.teapartypatriots.org/2013/04/corporate-giant-gets-immunity/

So I dunno how political it is given how the whole spectrum finds that the law stinks of preferential treatment, and it's certainly not BS since... it's true. That is just one example because it happens to be very recent. You can also consider that with USDA and Monsanto staff swapping back and forth between the two organisations like a deck of cards, the consequence is that the fox is guarding the henhouse when it comes to food safety.
 
daught said:
Yes yes, in your world cops are straight, politicians want the greater good, and corporates care about the public.

As for your brother, thats one example. Overall its proven a good diet is benefical for health. Problem is these days it's hard to get quality food. Organic doesen't necesarly mean its good.
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I've never said all cops are good, but the good ones by far out number the bad ones. I dont believe anything the government says, so again you're talking out your ass, and I work for a large company that's been in the news for all the wrong reasons, but I can say without a doubt, they care about their employee's, customers, and the publics safety. As for my brother, that's one case I mentioned, there's so many more, like my brother in law that passed away from cancer in 2006 at the old age of 36, and never drank a drop or smoked in his life, ate healthy ect. I could go on for days about people i know that died young, and none of them died from bad food, in fact I can't name one person that died because of bad food.

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fastar1 said:
While it would be nice if they demonstrated those claims for themselves, it's actually hard to find anyone who disagrees with them. At this very moment a bill is being passed in the US that is widely agreed to be unconstitutional, that will allow Monsanto to make millions that they otherwise would not be able to do while defending themselves from lawsuits relating to GMO foods.

This is the view shared by Libertarian lawyer Baylen Linnekin who would rather give Monsanto free reign to market whatever it wants, as he explains here; http://reason.com/archives/2013/04/06/why-i-oppose-the-so-called-monsanto-prot/1

The USDA's secretary Tom Vilsack (organisation which gains power from this new law) is himself concerned about the extrajudicial powers they have been granted. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=14B6FB84-05E5-4CF0-AEA8-ED22A47CDDA4

A farmer turned Democrat politician Jon Tester describes the new rules as "giveaways, pure and simple". (from previous link)

A Tea Party blogger, Dustin Siggins, also calls it a "special interest giveaway". https://www.teapartypatriots.org/2013/04/corporate-giant-gets-immunity/

So I dunno how political it is given how the whole spectrum finds that the law stinks of preferential treatment, and it's certainly not BS since... it's true. That is just one example because it happens to be very recent. You can also consider that with USDA and Monsanto staff swapping back and forth between the two organisations like a deck of cards, the consequence is that the fox is guarding the henhouse when it comes to food safety.
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These are people with their own agenda. I remember quite a few years ago, a study said peanut butter could possilby cause cancer, but there wasn't any protest. I use a product that contains lead and rarely use gloves. One guy i worked with just had tests done, he had high lead , and other metals in his body, we consider it a part of the job. My point is, if it isn't politically motivated, it would'nt be a problem, because anyone that doesn't want to eat the food, can choose to eat so called better food, and the ones that don't really care will continue n as if we are normal. When I say there are more important things to worry about, I'm talking about rape, child molestation, domestic assault, ect. If you really care about people and want to make a difference, go help out at a womens shelter.

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oilycreek said:
These are people with their own agenda. I remember quite a few years ago, a study said peanut butter could possilby cause cancer, but there wasn't any protest. I use a product that contains lead and rarely use gloves. One guy i worked with just had tests done, he had high lead , and other metals in his body, we consider it a part of the job. My point is, if it isn't politically motivated, it would'nt be a problem, because anyone that doesn't want to eat the food, can choose to eat so called better food, and the ones that don't really care will continue n as if we are normal. When I say there are more important things to worry about, I'm talking about rape, child molestation, domestic assault, ect. If you really care about people and want to make a difference, go help out at a womens shelter.

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The point is people from a wide spectrum of "agendas" all agree that it's rotten. You won't find anywhere close to that level of unanimity with regards to your peanut butter thing. And if you want to argue that high exposure to lead is not a risk factor for lead poisoning, I think you're gonna be pretty much on your own with that one too.

Of course, rape, child abuse, domestic violence, are all undesirable. That's something everyone can all agree on. But how does that make the Monsanto problem any less important?

BTW there is no standard for labelling food products GMO-free so, contrary to your claim, people don't actually have a way of avoiding those products if they don't want them. That's another fight that has been won in favour of Monsanto and against freedom of choice.
 
fastar1 said:
The point is people from a wide spectrum of "agendas" all agree that it's rotten. You won't find anywhere close to that level of unanimity with regards to your peanut butter thing. And if you want to argue that high exposure to lead is not a risk factor for lead poisoning, I think you're gonna be pretty much on your own with that one too.

Of course, rape, child abuse, domestic violence, are all undesirable. That's something everyone can all agree on. But how does that make the Monsanto problem any less important?

BTW there is no standard for labelling food products GMO-free, so contrary to your claim people don't actually have a way of avoiding those products if they don't want to. That's another fight that has been won in favour of Monsanto and against freedom of choice.
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How does that make Monsanto problem less important? really? well again we choose what we eat, regardless if there is any labelling, if people are really that concerned they can research what products are GMO, but rape, child molestation and domestic violence are not a choice, people, kids don't choose to be raped, beat ect. Monsanto is so much less important, in fact it shouldn't even be on the same list with those crimes.

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oilycreek said:
How does that make Monsanto problem less important? really? well again we choose what we eat, regardless if there is any labelling, if people are really that concerned they can research what products are GMO, but rape, child molestation and domestic violence are not a choice, people, kids don't choose to be raped, beat ect. Monsanto is so much less important, in fact it shouldn't even be on the same list with those crimes.

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You don't understand the scope of the problem. There is no way to know which foods are free of GMOs other than to go out to the farms yourself and inspect their products and procedures. But even the farmers themselves can't control if they grow GMO crops, if the wind blows seed onto their farm they can be sued by Monsanto for having unknowingly grown their proprietary seeds! And any non-GMO foods that you may find may not be sufficient to allow for a complete, balanced diet. So you'd make it a full time job to track down all your non-GMO foods, monitor them, and keep up with changes, only to fall sick anyways.

Your suggestion to find your own GMO free foods is equivalent to blaming women or children for being victims of violence because they didn't lock themselves in the closet all day, every day!
 
fastar1 said:
Your suggestion to find your own GMO free foods is equivalent to blaming women or children for being victims of violence because they didn't lock themselves in the closet all day, every day!
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That is the dumbest thing ever posted on this site, possibly on the internet.

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You can't find gmo free foods easily as there's no legislation in Canada that says labels on foods need to tell you that information. I would like to make the choice for myself regardless of what others think about the safety of this food. The government was actively lobbied by syngenta and Monsanto to not include this information on labels and so you as consumers we denied a choice. Why did the companies do this? Because when information was placed on labels in the EU by law, customers chose to not buy GMO foods and as a result the EU has less reliance on these crops and less financial interest for the companies that provide the seeds and associated pesticides for them. North America isn't so lucky.
 
Saw something on Monsanto on TV couple yrs. ago. Chilling to say the least. Add that to the long list of reasons why we're going to hell in a hand.........last one, please close the gate behind you. Stop having children. Why be so selfish and vicious to some you supposedly love? Will not attend protest.
 
fastar1 said:
Your suggestion to find your own GMO free foods is equivalent to blaming women or children for being victims of violence because they didn't lock themselves in the closet all day, every day!
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oilycreek said:
That is the dumbest thing ever posted on this site, possibly on the internet.

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I think it stems from not really understanding how victim-blaming ideology works, and why it's important to hold the perpetrators accountable.
 
karentsang said:
I think it stems from not really understanding how victim-blaming ideology works, and why it's important to hold the perpetrators accountable.
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Unfortunately so many people look for reasons to blame the victim, and that's why so many women and children are afraid to come forward.


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oilycreek said:
Unfortunately so many people look for reasons to blame the victim, and that's why so many women and children are afraid to come forward.


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Or, as it applies to this topic, your victim blaming intimidates people against speaking out against government negligence regarding food safety.
 
fastar1 said:
Or, as it applies to this topic, your victim blaming intimidates people against speaking out against government negligence regarding food safety.
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If you choose to do something, then you're not a victim. If the organizers of the protest really cared, then they would list brands with GMO and brands without. Trying to compare this to the other is just pure stupidity, but I'm not surprised.

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oilycreek said:
Translation, you have nothing intelligent to say, but that's been your theme in this thread, actually on this forum in general.

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I'm happy to let others be the judge. But FYI, saying "everyone has their own agenda" isn't exactly a brilliant rubuttal as it can be used against any argument, and requires no evidence of its own.
 
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