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jc100 said:
Ok, I’ll predict that in 4 years time this swings just as wildly towards the liberals or a lib/NDP coalition. No one has the stomach for change right now. What’s voter turnout?
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Given how completely nutty most NDP and Lib promises were lately and given that neither party has a leader, any chance of a merge? Splitting the vote makes it hard to win. NDP wouldn't love giving up exclusive control of official opposition but it could increase their seat count greatly in the next election.
 
jc100 said:
Ok, I’ll predict that in 4 years time this swings just as wildly towards the liberals or a lib/NDP coalition. No one has the stomach for change right now. What’s voter turnout?
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I'll make you a bet. If you're right in 4 years, I'll chug 3 tallboy pineapple/blueberry/cinnamon stouts.

If i win, you down 3 cans of Old Milwaukee Ice.
 
Just found out that Ontario has a right to disconnect law, but you can phone, text and email Nova Scotia remote employees all night long.
 
klr_guy said:
Pitiful
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Yup. 680 stated it was the ‘worst turnout ever’ for a provincial election. 60% of eligible voters did NOT show up.

The **** show that was the NDP and Liberals, and the clear fact that there was no stopping Ford were probably the main reasons….but pitiful is the right word.
 
The ones that did show up had a strong message . I don’t think we didn’t or don’t want change , but what we don’t want is crazy . We have seen enough crazy .
And to say Doug botched the pandemic? Who got it right ? Anybody here ever been through a pandemic like this before ?
The planned highways ? It’s a needed evil. To say we can add another million people to tbe province and not be able to move goods and services is short sighted . My delivery trucks in the GTA budget 25% of the day not moving .
Doug’s been given a chance to do something very good coming out of the last 4 yrs , hope they make the most of it .
I don’t want anyone to have to drink a blueberry/ cinnamon/chia seed stout , or old Milwaukee ice . Just a nice centered Heineken. Boring and predictable.


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If Doug, and the PCs, are centering their platform I'm all in.

I don't want crazy.
I don't want idiocy.
I want a steady path for this Province.

As per handling the pandemic...I don't think either the NDP or Liberals would do much better steering the ship during a once in a lifetime event. Whether at the Federal or Provincial level. Everyone thinks they'd do a better job...in hindsight.

Now if you excuse me, I need to draft 2 letters for leadership positions at both Liberals and NDP.
 
TK4 said:
Be careful what you ask for...
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What's the worst that can happen?

I'm realistic.
Good at talking to people.
No political experience.
Non-shady past for the most part.

Wait...I should re-think this strategy...
 
danp said:
At least this means the Bradford bypass is not gonna get cancelled. :)
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This is a major concern in my industry.

Major infrastructure projects (transit in particular) are started, changed, and cancelled depending on political whims of the time. A few examples over the years where holes were dug, new gov't shows up, and they fill the holes back up.

Impossible in Canada...but removing infrastructure projects from politics would be a huge (and great) step. But impossible here. They're too ingrained with politics where politicians use them for personal gain...not what benefits the most people.
 
crankcall said:
And to say Doug botched the pandemic? Who got it right ? Anybody here ever been through a pandemic like this before ?
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mimico_polak said:
As per handling the pandemic...I don't think either the NDP or Liberals would do much better steering the ship during a once in a lifetime event. Whether at the Federal or Provincial level. Everyone thinks they'd do a better job...in hindsight.
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Right, just to make it clear, I think there's four ways Doug got it very wrong during the pandemic, and wrong compared to others at the time, so it's not just hindsight:

1. At the very beginning, he encouraged Ontarians to "go away and have fun" for March break, while the BC premier said it would be best to stay home. This resulted in a much more severe initial phase of Covid, including thousands of completely unnecessary care home deaths.
2. The response to data was always incredibly slow, which meant lockdowns ended up being way longer than necessary. The most obvious example was Christmas 2020, where anyone who glanced at a graph of cases could see the vertical line, but they dragged their feet for two weeks, resulting in a much higher case load and longer lockdown. If you argue that lockdowns weren't effective or necessary, he enacted them anyway, so either way it was a massive screw up. They did this repeatedly throughout, and in my mind is the biggest offence.
3. Their messaging was contradictory, confusing and infuriatingly difficult to puzzle out. They kept Dr. David Williams on (a man so forgettable I just had to Google his name) for ages, despite his total inability to articulate a plan, while Dougie bounced from one folksy platitude to another.
4. Later on, their choices about what to open and what to keep closed were just bizarre, particularly related to schools. Having bars and hair salons open but schools closed was a decision nobody could understand, especially those folks going slowly insane with kids under 12 bouncing off the walls at home.

Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but all of the above is stuff that had obvious solutions, even at the time. I compare Ontario to BC, and their response was better on so many levels, including statistically and in regards to the length and severity of lockdowns and mandates.

And that's why I couldn't vote blue this go round...
 
mimico_polak said:
This is a major concern in my industry.

Major infrastructure projects (transit in particular) are started, changed, and cancelled depending on political whims of the time. A few examples over the years where holes were dug, new gov't shows up, and they fill the holes back up.

Impossible in Canada...but removing infrastructure projects from politics would be a huge (and great) step. But impossible here. They're too ingrained with politics where politicians use them for personal gain...not what benefits the most people.
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It's kinda crazy if you ask me. There should be some type of higher governance with no political party influence affiliation make the plans decisions and decisions to continually improve in the same general direction.
 
LePhillou said:
It's kinda crazy if you ask me. There should be some type of higher governance with no political party influence affiliation make the plans decisions and decisions to continually improve in the same general direction.
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100% agreed. But reality is unfortunately very different.

Scarborough would already have an LRT that was fully funded…but subways subways subways.
 
Priller said:
Right, just to make it clear, I think there's four ways Doug got it very wrong during the pandemic, and wrong compared to others at the time, so it's not just hindsight:

1. At the very beginning, he encouraged Ontarians to "go away and have fun" for March break, while the BC premier said it would be best to stay home. This resulted in a much more severe initial phase of Covid, including thousands of completely unnecessary care home deaths.
2. The response to data was always incredibly slow, which meant lockdowns ended up being way longer than necessary. The most obvious example was Christmas 2020, where anyone who glanced at a graph of cases could see the vertical line, but they dragged their feet for two weeks, resulting in a much higher case load and longer lockdown. If you argue that lockdowns weren't effective or necessary, he enacted them anyway, so either way it was a massive screw up. They did this repeatedly throughout, and in my mind is the biggest offence.
3. Their messaging was contradictory, confusing and infuriatingly difficult to puzzle out. They kept Dr. David Williams on (a man so forgettable I just had to Google his name) for ages, despite his total inability to articulate a plan, while Dougie bounced from one folksy platitude to another.
4. Later on, their choices about what to open and what to keep closed were just bizarre, particularly related to schools. Having bars and hair salons open but schools closed was a decision nobody could understand, especially those folks going slowly insane with kids under 12 bouncing off the walls at home.

Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but all of the above is stuff that had obvious solutions, even at the time. I compare Ontario to BC, and their response was better on so many levels, including statistically and in regards to the length and severity of lockdowns and mandates.

And that's why I couldn't vote blue this go round...
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I can't argue with anything you say - points all valid.

But are they important now? If there were shining examples of gov'ts that handled the pandemic well, maybe some deep criticism would be in order. Ontario didn't do that badly -- yea there was hardship and death, but on a comparative scale ... not bad.

Ontario's death rate during the pandemic was 913/million people. The rest of Canada was 1,194 - 30% higher than Ontario. There are only a handful of developed countries worldwide that did better than Ontario.

I'm sure most folks would rather think the next pandemic won't be in their lifetime, so in most minds it's in the rearview mirror and of no consequence to the future.

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LePhillou said:
It's kinda crazy if you ask me. There should be some type of higher governance with no political party influence affiliation make the plans decisions and decisions to continually improve in the same general direction.
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Like Putin?

In a democracy, the people decide by choosing leaders to govern. Absolute power is a totalitarian or authoritarian setup that first limits freedoms, then sets up a ruling class that exploits the proletariat. Not for me.
 
mimico_polak said:
100% agreed. But reality is unfortunately very different.

Scarborough would already have an LRT that was fully funded…but subways subways subways.
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Used to have to take the Scarborough LRT, I was not a fan. Seemed to be always broken down, much like Ottawa now.
 
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