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mikeech

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Hi everyone,

1st time poster and new to this 'wonderful' province *sarcasm*.

I picked up my new Ducati on Friday and am ready for a fender eliminator. I'm wondering if I am going to get hassled by cops getting one where the plate is below the riders seat like this? http://motowheels.com/i-6921492-competition-werkes-fender-eliminator-streetfighter-sf848-ltd.html

Also, what about turn signals? Is it legal to have integrated turn signals like this? http://www.motodynamic.com/product_info.php?products_id=212

I'm not sure if they are safe considering how retarded drivers in Toronto are but they do look sick :). I would look at adding turn signals on the ends of the bars in the future to increase visibility.

Thanks for any advice/tips.
 
mikeech said:
Hi everyone,

1st time poster and new to this 'wonderful' province *sarcasm*.

I picked up my new Ducati on Friday and am ready for a fender eliminator. I'm wondering if I am going to get hassled by cops getting one where the plate is below the riders seat like this? http://motowheels.com/i-6921492-competition-werkes-fender-eliminator-streetfighter-sf848-ltd.html

Also, what about turn signals? Is it legal to have integrated turn signals like this? http://www.motodynamic.com/product_info.php?products_id=212

I'm not sure if they are safe considering how retarded drivers in Toronto are but they do look sick :). I would look at adding turn signals on the ends of the bars in the future to increase visibility.

Thanks for any advice/tips.
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Technically those signals are illegal and yes you will get hassled for that fender eliminator. Look for something that keeps it mounted closer to the back, under the tail light.
 
I had one of those on my bike when I bought it, except mine sat a little lower. I got pulled over a couple of times so I bought a cheapy eBay one that mounts under the rear lights. I'd urge you to reconsider your purchase of that particular fender eliminator. Just a hassle.
 
Regarding the placement of the license plate prolly better if u had it a bit closer to the tailight. I have integrated turn signals and cops dont seem to bother plus dont see hows illegal u dont even need to have any turn signals as long as u use hand gestures I believe.
 
No, those signals are not illegal and you may have some issues on how deep the fender eliminator kit goes back with your plate, if its too far in, you will get hassled and possibly a ticket (ask me how I know this).
 
Ok thanks for the help guys! I'll go with the integrated taillight and will do some more research on a diff fender eliminator that places the plate back further...Too bad, the bike is so sexy with that fender eliminator!
 
Tail signals are OK.
The fender eliminator - will depend on a cop, but a ticket is plausible.
 
I know a bunch of guys running that style plate location. Never got hassled, so yeah, depends on the cop.
 
Those turn signals do not meet the safety standards within Ontario as they do not appear to be DOT or ECE certified.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/acts-regulations/regulations-crc-c1038-sch-iv-108.htm


<hgroup>Technical Standards Document No. 108

</hgroup><hgroup>Required Motor Vehicle Lighting Equipment — S5.1 of TSD 108

</hgroup>
  • (8) Despite S5.1.1 of TSD 108, lamps and retroreflective devices that are contained within the same physical assembly as a headlamp and conform to the requirements of S7.4(h) of TSD 108 in respect of resistance to corrosion, dust and humidity are not required to be subjected to the corrosion, dust and moisture tests required by any of the SAE standards or recommended practices listed in Tables I and III of TSD 108.
  • (9) [Reserved]
  • (10) If reflective material referred to in S5.1.1.4 of TSD 108 is applied to a non-vertical surface, the entrance angle used to demonstrate that the material conforms to the performance standards prescribed by that section shall be the sum of the entrance angle specified in Table 1 or Table 1A of SAE Standard J594f, <cite class="XRefExternal">Reflex Reflectors</cite> (January 1977), and the angle, measured on the horizontal centreline of the material, by which the material deviates from the vertical.
  • (11) S5.1.1.12 and S5.1.1.21 of TSD 108 do not apply.
  • (12) Despite S5.1.1 and S7.9 of TSD 108, every headlamp assembly on a motorcycle shall conform to S7.8.2, S7.8.2.2, S7.8.3, S7.8.4 and S7.8.5.1(c) of TSD 108.
  • (13) Every school bus shall be equipped with a flasher that conforms to SAE Recommended Practice J1054, <cite class="XRefExternal">Warning Lamp Alternating Flashers</cite> (October 1989), and that activates the signal lamps referred to in S5.1.4 of TSD 108.
<hgroup>Location of Required Equipment — S5.3 of TSD 108

</hgroup>
  • (14) For the purposes of S5.3 and Table II of TSD 108, the location of rear identification lamps on a van trailer with side-opening rear doors conforms to that section if the lamps are located as close as practicable to the top of the vehicle
    • (a) above or on the rear doors, if the vertical face of the header rail, measured on the vertical centreline of the vehicle, extends at least 25 mm above the rear doors; or
    • (b) above or below or on the rear doors, if the vertical face of the header rail, measured on the vertical centreline of the vehicle, extends less than 25 mm above the rear doors.
  • (14.1) Despite S5.3 and Table IV of TSD 108, the tail lamps, stop lamps and parking lamps on a motor tricycle shall be installed in accordance with the requirements of S5.3 and Table IV of TSD 108 for tail lamps, stop lamps and parking lamps installed on a passenger car.
  • (15) [Reserved]
<hgroup>Special Wiring Requirements — S5.5 of TSD 108

</hgroup>
  • (16) S5.5.1 and S5.5.2 of TSD 108 do not apply to a motorcycle that is fitted with a single beam headlamp.
  • (17) Subject to subsection (18), the headlamp, tail lamp and licence plate lamp of a motorcycle shall be continuously activated when the engine is operating.
  • (18) The headlamp, tail lamp and licence plate lamp of a motorcycle may remain off after the engine is started until the motorcycle is set in motion by its own power for the first time.
  • (19) In addition to being activated in accordance with the requirements of S5.5.7 of TSD 108, the lamps referred to in S5.5.7(a) of TSD 108 shall be activated when
    • (a) the front fog lamps on the vehicle are activated in a steady-burning state other than as daytime running lamps; or
    • (b) the rear fog lamps on the vehicle are activated in a steady-burning state.
  • (20) The requirements of S5.5.11 of TSD 108 are replaced by the daytime running lamp requirements of subsections (44) to (65).
<hgroup>Conspicuity Systems — S5.7 of TSD 108

</hgroup>
  • (21) Despite S5.7 of TSD 108, the colour of retroreflective sheeting applied in accordance with S5.7.1.4.1(a) and S5.7.1.4.2 of TSD 108 may be white, yellow, white and yellow or white and red, in accordance with S5.7.1.2 of TSD 108 or section 3.1.3, 3.1.2 or 3.1.1, respectively, of SAE Standard J578, <cite class="XRefExternal">Color Specification</cite> (May 1988).
  • (22) If the retroreflective sheeting referred to in S5.7.1.2 of TSD 108 is applied to a non-vertical surface, the entrance angle used to demonstrate that the sheeting conforms to the photometric requirements prescribed by that section shall be the sum of the entrance angle specified in column 1 of Figure 29 of TSD 108 and the angle, measured at the horizontal centreline of the sheeting, by which the sheeting deviates from the vertical.
  • (23) The retroreflective sheeting applied to the rear of a trailer in accordance with S5.7.1.4.1(c) of TSD 108 shall be located not more than 760 mm above the road surface and extend to within 450 mm of the extreme outer edges of the trailer.
  • (24) If a vehicle is equipped with yellow retroreflective sheeting, the sheeting shall conform to the photometric requirements set out in the table to this subsection:
    <figure><figcaption>Table
    </figcaption>
    ItemColumn 1Column 2Column 3
    GradeEntrance Angle (in degrees)Minimum Coefficient of Retroreflection (cd/lx/m[SUP]2[/SUP])
    Observation Angle of 0.2°Observation Angle of 0.5°
    1.DOT-C2-418849
    2.DOT-C23018849
    3.DOT-C2454511
    4.DOT-C3-412432
    5.DOT-C33012432
    6.DOT-C345308
    7.DOT-C4-49425
    8.DOT-C4309425
    9.DOT-C445236

    <tbody>
    </tbody>
    </figure>
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I have almost that same setup on my R1 , the plate isnt as far back but pretty close to that. I put a plate light on it, and have not been bother YET, they wont bug you about the plate unless they really dont like you for some reason. As long as its visible from right behind then you should be good.
 
jeffjones said:
+1

They also have to be a certain distance from the center line of the motorcycle.

Will look for the link
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rbjeepthing said:
Those turn signals do not meet the safety standards within Ontario as they do not appear to be DOT or ECE certified.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/acts-regulations/regulations-crc-c1038-sch-iv-108.htm
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These are regulations for vehicles manufactured/imported and sold in Canada. The Police do not enforce the MVSA, only the HTA.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm#BK116
 
Those integrated signals are not illegal, but they are pure garbage. The cars behind you and in different lanes cannot see crap on that integrated tail light. If you want to ride safe, get a proper set of maybe smaller turn signals such as Rizoma.

Here is a much better fender eliminator for Duc, not to mention it's from a local reputable store.
http://bluestreakracing.ca/fender-eliminators/r-g-fender-eliminator/ducati.html

Compared to the stuff that you want:
http://bluestreakracing.ca/fender-eliminators/competition-werkes/competition-werkes/ducati.html

Why get hassled because of some stupid thing if you can get a proper eliminator?
 
I've got my tag mounted in the same spot (a bit lower maybe) and never been hassled, even with cops sitting directly behind me. Ironically, I have been pulled over for a bent plate that was mounted at the proper location.
As others have said, it depends on the cop. Some don't give a crap or will only hassle you if they pull you over for some other reason... case in point, I was pulled over once for lane changing without signalling and he made a deal about my smoked flushmounts. He let it go after I showed him it glows amber.
 
rbjeepthing said:
Ever had your plates pulled by MTO after the cops called them for a vehicle that possibly didn't meet the safety standards?...
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http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...g-one-mirror&p=2013414&viewfull=1#post2013414

Police do not enforce those rules. The HTA applies, and the HTA does not mention a NEED for signal lights on a motorcycle. This is also why you have to learn hand signals, because there are some motorcycles which from the factory do not come with turn signals.

Source: I own a bike which is road legal and has no signals.
 
markopas said:
No, those signals are not illegal and you may have some issues on how deep the fender eliminator kit goes back with your plate, if its too far in, you will get hassled and possibly a ticket (ask me how I know this).
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The pulsing is illegal. Signal spacing might also create issues. As the plate is maybe 25 degrees from horizontal, and therefore virtually invisible, it's a definite heat score.
 
Go meet up with some Ducati riders and check out what they are running and get some feedback. What mods they have, where they ride, what they get pulled over for etc.

IMO, if you have to ask, you are inviting unwanted attention from law enforcement. You want a modification that looks "factory" but, cleans things up a bit.

Isn't riding a Ducati good enough????? Kidding.


Good luck with the mods.
 
after having integrated turn signals for awhile and speaking to a couple guys who had them, I can say that they are pure garbage as far as visibility goes. People will NOT know what your intention is regarding lane changes. Anyone any safe distance behind you will only see the tail blinking.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
The pulsing is illegal. Signal spacing might also create issues. As the plate is maybe 25 degrees from horizontal, and therefore virtually invisible, it's a definite heat score.
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Has anyone ever received a ticket for having a brake light modulator (that wasn't asking for it)? Even the moto cops have them installed on their bikes (though they're technically exempt from that section of the HTA).

Hell, according to the HTA, it's illegal to use red lights as turn signals (which is how many cars come equipped from the factory).

Intermittent red light restricted
(14) Subject to subsections (14.1) and (15), no person shall use a lamp, other than the vehicular hazard warning signal lamps commonly known as four way flashers, that produces intermittent flashes of red light. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (14); 2007, c. 13, s. 17 (1).
 
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