Fuzzbuster
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Which shop? Do you know price? Let us know if date of tires are an issue or drum brake cause any flags! Good luck
Let's talk about the ELEPHANT in the room (certifications)
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Only problem w/ drums is that now the tech HAS to open it up to measure and take pics of shoes and drum.
TK4
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What about buried or folding plates ?
The drum brake inspection requirement demands removal and measurement - that's going to take time.
Before, the inspecting mechanic could use simple common sense and good judgement, now you can't.
Not a bike thing but motor vehicle related. My 2018 Hyundai doesn't have any way of checking or adding transmission fluid.
It's a sealed system and is about $400 for a drain, flush and refill kit. While I appreciate that the combined drips of oil and other fluids eventually end up in the lake, beater cars are the only choice for low wage workers. A lot of those are leakers and if the only cure is a $4,000 tranny rebuild things are going to get tough.
Harley jokes aside, what drip amount will trigger a rebuild?
What is the warranty on seals? Is that covered under the drive train warranty, IE the vehicle can't be legally driven if it leaves a spot?
FWIW my Hyundai is acting differently since the required 80,000 KM transmission fluid change was done.
A non-Hyundai mechanic told me to NOT to change the fluid unless it was sticky or smelled bad. With no dipstick there's no smell or sticky test.
I don't know about present bike leak fix costs but a couple of decades ago I had a fair amount of trany work done on my Sportster and the price was reasonable. A bunch of bearings needed replacement, so it meant opening the case.
It's a sealed system and is about $400 for a drain, flush and refill kit. While I appreciate that the combined drips of oil and other fluids eventually end up in the lake, beater cars are the only choice for low wage workers. A lot of those are leakers and if the only cure is a $4,000 tranny rebuild things are going to get tough.
Harley jokes aside, what drip amount will trigger a rebuild?
What is the warranty on seals? Is that covered under the drive train warranty, IE the vehicle can't be legally driven if it leaves a spot?
FWIW my Hyundai is acting differently since the required 80,000 KM transmission fluid change was done.
A non-Hyundai mechanic told me to NOT to change the fluid unless it was sticky or smelled bad. With no dipstick there's no smell or sticky test.
I don't know about present bike leak fix costs but a couple of decades ago I had a fair amount of trany work done on my Sportster and the price was reasonable. A bunch of bearings needed replacement, so it meant opening the case.
Relax
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As far as I understand, nothing has changed with the actual safety requirements of the vehicle, just the requirement to prove with pics. If anything, I'm hoping that the tablet will only have fields for things that actually need to be checked, so they can't just make something up, like the time my friend failed because her car didn't have the exact same model of tires that came with it from the factory.
Fuzzbuster
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I was hoping for a factual thread...guess not. So I had a safety done 8 years ago, went well. Needed a rear tire, no clue why. Rules were diff then. Different politicians then too. Not carney! Anyone riding this weekend, weather will be nice! Look out for speed cameras. What is the best oil to use for a safety? Best armour for jacket?
Didn't @GreyGhost post the facts already? Do we need a sticky?
Sochi
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Yeah, no point in this chit chat and speculations.. I think we should wait till more of us actually go through the new process. I'll post details when I have it done.
Sadly, that was all of the facts. The rest is experiences and opinions which are subject to variation.
Fuzzbuster
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I give up, Im going to ride!
Bike has disks at both ends, so not concerned. I have ordered new tires but they haven't arrived. Current ones are 10 years old but tread is fine for certification, so I'm curious about the date issue as well.
My Norton has rear drum brakes and the wheel removal/installation isn't that strait forward so I'm a bit concerned about that.
Hilarious.
- They make the mechanic enter the number of axles on the light-duty vehicle/motorcycle and it's not automatically pre-populated as two. Are there any light-duty vehicles with more than two axles? Does a motorcycle like a Niken have two or three axles?
- Who wants to bet they screwed up the software and it will deal poorly with dual disks on a single wheel?
- Making them take a photo of every failed item is great to minimize the chances for extortion.
I think in summary, there is more to do and the cost is up. There will likely be some variances from shop to shop on some things like indicator lights, tire age, plate location, exhaust etc.
I wouldn’t want to try and get a machine safetied that has custom work or mods like a tail tidy etc.
Some shops likely don’t want the hassle and will simply state unless the bike is properly equipped with stock items, they won’t even look at it. YMMV.
I don’t think the MTO requires a pic of the muffler but, I could be wrong. Most after market slips ons are stamped, “off road use only”
I wouldn’t want to try and get a machine safetied that has custom work or mods like a tail tidy etc.
Some shops likely don’t want the hassle and will simply state unless the bike is properly equipped with stock items, they won’t even look at it. YMMV.
I don’t think the MTO requires a pic of the muffler but, I could be wrong. Most after market slips ons are stamped, “off road use only”
Yeah, I wonder about exhaust issues too. I've been looking for a different dual sport and if it doesn't at least come with the original silencer I'm looking elsewhere.
Or buy it certified. Leave that problem to the seller. You don't need to be worried about unwittingly getting a bike with a no-look safety anymore.
To be fair, all those drops of oil, from each individual cars, times tens of thousands of cars a day……is what results in the roads becoming as slick as snot right after the first rainfall in a few weeks.
So I’m not sure complaining about that on a motorcycle forum of all places is necessarily the wisest option.
As for what would fail versus what would pass, I think that any active dripping or signs of oil spray on the bottom of the car suggesting that there is a seriously leak would end up with a fail. If the under car area is clean (so if someone drives a leaker, it would seem prudent to pay for the fancy super duper car wash with the bottom blaster, or get in there yourself with degreaser and a power washer beforehand), and it doesn’t drip during the cert, it should be fine I’m sure.
But really, if you are driving a vehicle that is actively dripping during a 1–2 hour certification, or is leaking so badly that it is spraying on the bottom of the car, it probably legitimately shouldn’t be on the roads anyways. And cars aren’t like they were even 20 or 30 years ago anymore, leaking is much less of an issue even on old cars. My 2011
volt doesn’t leak, same as my sons 2012. His 2008 Saturn he had before it even was every bit the definition of a beater, and it didn’t even leak anything. It’s not the 1970’s or 80’s anymore.
Umm, the Prime Minister has absolutely nothing to do with provincial safety standards.
Easier said than done. I offered one guy full ask, if he'd get the safety. Nope.
All the bikes I'm looking at are road legal from the factory, KTM500EXC-F, Husqvarna FE501S, KTM 690 Enduro, Husky 701 Enduro and Honda CRF450L.
When I list mine for sale later in the month I intend to offer it with a safety for full ask.
People seem to be really freaked out by the new regime.
