Let's talk about the ELEPHANT in the room (certifications)

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Everything has changed. Ted is out of business because it has to be done properly now.

Slip-on pipes may not pass any more.
I heard as long as the original catalytic converter is in place, your OK.
DB levels are now checked.

But who knows what is actually happening with actual facts.

The process is now done on a table, with a government employee watching the mechanics measure things and take (and submit) pictures

Everything I've said is hear-say


We need a government website telling us exactly what to expect
 
There was a giant hubub about this here a few months ago and then I saw another post here or somewhere saying that all the hubub was much ado about nothing. Yeah, it's more documented, and yeah, it will take a bit of extra time, in the end it's not the "nobody is going to do safeties on bikes anymore" or "nothing is going to pass anymore" situation some insisted it was going to be.

Our new car we bought in Quebec went through the new system, needed nothing at all, cost about $50 more than it used to. Meh, if it gets the bad actors out of the business, so be it.

And where did you hear that the inspection includes decibel checks now? I've seen or heard no such thing.
 
Theoretically, failing bikes with no cat, or that have turn signals and/or brake lights that are difficult to see would be a good thing. Pollution and accidents don’t happen in a vacuum. Hopefully, they also check headlight intensity and beam position.
 
PrivatePilot said:
And where did you hear that the inspection includes decibel checks now? I've seen or heard no such thing.
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If anything, I have heard the opposite. There were no changes to the certification checklist. It's just done differently (now on tablet and pics required).

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FWIW, even if they tested sound levels (which I doubt they do), unless you have straight pipes or a GP muffler, bikes pass the standards used by most ontario municipalities. You need to be actively trying to be a prick to fail.
 
GreyGhost said:
If anything, I have heard the opposite. There were no changes to the certification checklist. It's just done differently (now on tablet and pics required).

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FWIW, even if they tested sound levels (which I doubt they do), unless you have straight pipes or a GP muffler, bikes pass the standards used by most ontario municipalities. You need to be actively trying to be a prick to fail.
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Aren’t some pipes still labeled “track use only”?
 
Baggsy said:
Aren’t some pipes still labeled “track use only”?
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Probably. I haven't checked the exact wording of the checklist. Presumably that should have failed before or if it complies with the wording on the checklist, it may still pass. Obviously much less room for discretion now and if it doesn't comply with checklist, the mechanic probably has to fail you.
 
Does that mean the company that took over (Augment Motorworks) is trustworthy for repairs and doing certification?
 
GreyGhost said:
If anything, I have heard the opposite. There were no changes to the certification checklist. It's just done differently (now on tablet and pics required).

EDIT:
FWIW, even if they tested sound levels (which I doubt they do), unless you have straight pipes or a GP muffler, bikes pass the standards used by most ontario municipalities. You need to be actively trying to be a prick to fail.
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Technically you are correct.
Nothing has changes about actually certifying motorcycles.
The problem is, most shops didn't care about integrated turn signals. Loud pipes, missing blinkers.

Now, you can't get away with it.

Another issue is finding a mechanic who is certifying bikes the new way
 
The new process is more stringent and time consuming no question. Lotsa pictures to be taken for the guv to be happy. For motos things like turn signal spacing (minimum width from centre), drum brake condition, licence plate positioning - things that could be let slide before won't pass now. Once a vehicle passes the information can be immediately forwarded to the MTO, goes in the database and off you go to Service Ontario.
There's not as much wiggle room.
 
TK4 said:
For motos things like turn signal spacing (minimum width from centre), drum brake condition, licence plate positioning
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When Gord Inglis of Inglis Cycle gave our CVMG section a tech talk he talked specifically about a "tidy tail" install. He called multiple people for clarification and was finally told if it's visible at 150 meters it's good.

Other than needing pictures and more documentation ABSOLUTLY NOTHING has changed as far as bike requirements for a safety.
 
IMG_2559.jpegI have been reading a ton of information about the new certification system and most of it is not facts. The old Ted system was finished on April 31st. I know because I had one done and submitted on the 31st with no issues. No clue if the 36 day expiry rule still applied, I was not taking that chance. We all know that certain items that were passed before will not pass now. For example missing safety items like chain guards, minor leaking fluids, hidden plates, brake rotor and pad thickness, tidy tails, signals and so on! We also know that some shops will be continuing to do safety inspections and some will not. The costs (insurance, tablet) are more and it takes longer so the cost for the safety will be more. Please list your experience with the new safety certification system, cost, which shops are doing it, what items failed and which passed that you thought were going to fail. For example, would a older bike with a exhaust (no cat) pass or fail. Would a MT09 missing the rear fender (arm) and plate holder pass or fail. Do clear lens turn signals pass or fail. Do integrated tail lights pass or fail. Do kick stand mods pass or fail. If someone wants to make a spreadsheet that might be a helpful! We all know Ted would pass a bike without seeing it (a blind safety) but those days are over so don't need to bring it up again! Lets try and keep it to facts only!
 
Here are the facts:

e-Laws | Ontario.ca

www.ontario.ca www.ontario.ca

As not every situation is detailed clearly, everything else is still interpretation. What one mechanic passes, another may not. With the required pictures many things that would be routinely overlooked will now trigger a fail as the mechanic isn't going to put their license on the line for you. Last month they could have argued many changes were made after they saw the bike. That excuse/protection has now been eliminated.
 
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