legal or illegal to derestrict a scooter?

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muikmo

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hi, i just purchased a honda giorno 2013, read online can derestrict to get it a bit faster, is it legal to do so, will insurance be voided if notify insurance company?
 
I'd question on whether it'd be worth it - how much would you gain?

Exhaust may be subject to emissions laws if you are modifying it and noise bylaws.

Insurance - this could be grounds for them to deny coverage as you have really misrepresented what you are insuring if you don't tell em. Akin to stuffing a 750 engine into a 600.
 
The restrictions put on 50cc scooters usually has to do with keeping their speed limited so that it complies with the speed and licensing regs for some places.

I don't think emissions and noise laws would ever become an issue with the modification options for a 50cc scooter. You wouldn't gain much power, but it would mean doing better in keeping up with street traffic, e.g. maxing out at 60km/h stock but getting up to 70km/h modded.

Despite the small gains, your insurance company may still not like the mods.
 
The Canadian MVSA (motor vehicle safety act) defines an LSM (limited speed motorcycle) as having the following characteristics:


  • has steering handlebars that are completely constrained from rotating in relation to the axle of only one wheel in contact with the ground,
  • has a maximum speed of 70 km/h or less,
  • has a minimum driver’s seat height, when the vehicle is unladen, of 650 mm, and
  • does not have a structure partially or fully enclosing the driver and passenger, other than that part of the vehicle forward of the driver’s torso and the seat backrest; (motocyclette à vitesse limitée)

The Ontario Motorcycle Handbook goes further:


  • Minimum attainable speed of 32 km/h on level ground within 1.6 kilometres from a standing start
  • Maximum speed of 70 km/h or less
  • Steering handlebars that are completely restrained from rotating in relation to the axle of only one wheel in contact with the ground
  • Minimum seat height, when not laden, of 650 millimetres
  • Minimum wheel-rim diameter of 250 millimetres
  • Minimum wheelbase of 1,016 millimetres
  • Engine displacement of 50 cubic centimetres or less


According to the letter of the law you can't really modify the bike to exceed 70kph though I don't know if there's any legal restriction saying how quickly you can get there.

I agree with the others: no insurance company is going to dig modifications unless you tell them and they're able to bill you more for them.
 
Blackfin said:
The Canadian MVSA (motor vehicle safety act) defines an LSM (limited speed motorcycle) as having the following characteristics:


  • has steering handlebars that are completely constrained from rotating in relation to the axle of only one wheel in contact with the ground
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wtf? I'm sure that makes total sense to somebody.
 
Gonna kill someone with all that power uncorked. Use caution.
 
o. i meant derestrict is just to keep it up to street traffic, now max speed is ard 60 km/hr, by changing the pulley to derestrict can speed up to 65-69 km/hr only, dont worry, wouldn't be that extreme.. so that mean, as long as is under 70 km, then is legal to do so?
 
Don't waist your money. 4 stroke scooters are not easy to make faster. I put $500 into my ruckus and it went slower. Every guy that did a big bore kit had it blow up on them. It is easier to do a new better Variator kit. Lighter or heavier slider weights stiffer springs.

Try http://jiangwayne.com/scooter/index.php for parts options. Going http://motorscooterguide.net/ for loads of info and good advise.

Personally I sold my Ruckus and went with a 2007 Kymco Super9 LC. Loads of power and fun plus 2 strokes are easy to make go fast.
 
If it's registered as an E-bike, moped, or limited-speed motorcycle then it has to remain compliant with the restrictions. (But if it's legally allowed to do 70, and yours only does 60, you have some wiggle room.)

If it's registered as a "full motorcycle" then the HTA is not a problem, but your insurance company might be, depending on how extreme you go.
 
so the long and short, the reason they are restricted is to make them legal. That said I'd still mod the crap out of one for giggles. I`m not sure how much trouble you could get in with police, or if they could care. Probably depends where you live.
Insurance if something did go wrong may be a concern.
 
muikmo said:
o. i meant derestrict is just to keep it up to street traffic, now max speed is ard 60 km/hr, by changing the pulley to derestrict can speed up to 65-69 km/hr only, dont worry, wouldn't be that extreme.. so that mean, as long as is under 70 km, then is legal to do so?
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Yes, it is 100% legal to give maintenance to your scooter.

Maybe you just noticed that the pulley needs to be replaced. So change it. And change the sliders too while you are at it. There is no law anywhere telling you that you must use an OEM pulley.

Insurance will only care if you change the displacement (CC's) because most likely they used that number to calculate your premium. Other than that... I don't think they would even look at it twice.

After all, it is not like a 50 cc scooter will do 200 mph with a new pulley. If anything, it will accelerate faster and go to 70 kph.
 
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